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Post by eaves003 on Jul 11, 2018 6:36:16 GMT
Hello. Ok so I have a SR coming up in a couple of weeks and everyone locally thinks I’ll be bringing Armored Core theme. They are super teching against it. Soooo I plan on taking high DEF lists instead. What do you think?
War Room Army
Khador - 29th july
Theme: Jaws of the Wolf 1 / 1 Free Cards 74 / 75 Army
Assault Kommander Strakhov & Kommandos - WJ: +22 - Assault Kommander Strakhov & Kommandos (Cont.) - Victor - PC: 34 (Battlegroup Points Used: 22)
Yuri the Axe - PC: 0 Manhunter - PC: 4 Widowmaker Marksman - PC: 4
Kayazy Assassins - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15 - Kayazy Assassin Underboss - PC: 4 Kayazy Assassins - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15 - Kayazy Assassin Underboss - PC: 4 Kayazy Eliminators - Leader & Grunt: 5 Kayazy Eliminators - Leader & Grunt: 5 Battle Mechaniks - Leader & 3 Grunts: 3 Battle Mechaniks - Leader & 3 Grunts: 3
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THEME: Jaws of the Wolf ---
GENERATED : 07/11/2018 07:35:39 BUILD ID : 2067.18-06-10
War Room Army
Khador - 29th july
Theme: Wolves of Winter 2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Supreme Kommandant Irusk - WJ: +27 - War Dog - PC: 3 - Destroyer - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14) - Rager - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10)
Greylord Forge Seer - PC: 0 - Destroyer - PC: 14 Greylord Forge Seer - PC: 0 Gobber Tinker - PC: 2
Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 13 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 13 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 13 Greylord Ternion - Leader & 2 Grunts: 7 Kayazy Eliminators - Leader & Grunt: 5 Kayazy Eliminators - Leader & Grunt: 5
THEME: Wolves of Winter ---
GENERATED : 07/11/2018 07:35:57 BUILD ID : 2067.18-06-10
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Post by Netherby on Jul 11, 2018 8:37:40 GMT
I think those are 'bad' lists in bad themes Khador doesn't really do DEF skew in Mk3 well and there is also tons of stuff that just auto deletes those sorts of armies. Even if they are really teching hard to counter armour/box lists, they are still going to have a second list... I mean probably take the Reaver spam list if you want (except you cannot have two units of Eliminators in theme, it's one Merc unit only). But you should make your other list Butcher 3 in WGK...
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Post by hocestbellum on Jul 11, 2018 9:55:56 GMT
Don't make two lists that do the same thing; if you make both lists DEF spam, then both lists will be vulnerable to the same things. That puts you in a difficult spot when it comes to choosing which list to play.
Keep one list as Armoured Corps, and then design the other list to deal with the things that Armoured Corps can't, such as infantry swarms and incorporeal.
Based on that advice, you should take the second list, but I wouldn't run it with Irusk. You can't use any of his good spells effectively. Not sure who could run that list well... Strakhov1, maybe? I've run a very similar list with Sorscha1, and that worked.
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leander
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Post by leander on Jul 11, 2018 10:46:36 GMT
bring butcher 3 with loads of meat shields, i mean, winterguards.
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Post by Netherby on Jul 11, 2018 12:09:28 GMT
I would say the second list should go with Zerkova1. And swap out the illegal unit of Eliminators for Ragman.
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Post by hocestbellum on Jul 11, 2018 12:19:15 GMT
That's not a bad idea. You'd have to drop the Tinker, too, and the extra WJP means there would be 4 spare. Could upgrade the Rager to a Jugger for more hitting power... Or could also drop the dog to free up 7 points and turn a Ternion into even more doomies.
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wendan
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Post by wendan on Jul 11, 2018 12:38:05 GMT
Is that second unit of Elims illegal? Partisan means they're a Khador unit in a Khador army. I think they're alright to be in the list.
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Post by hocestbellum on Jul 11, 2018 13:10:16 GMT
They're not 'native' to the Wolves theme, so you have to use your Merc Unit slot to get them. They count as Friendly Faction models whilst in the army, though
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wendan
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Post by wendan on Jul 11, 2018 13:14:49 GMT
oooh! Huh, neat!
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d3z
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Post by d3z on Jul 11, 2018 13:19:53 GMT
Is that second unit of Elims illegal? Yes, you can only take 1 of the unit you specify as the merc unit.
Edit: Sorry if this was already answered.
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Post by smoothcriminal on Jul 11, 2018 13:21:07 GMT
Khador can't skew def well because we don't have def buffs from caster. If you want to try it, I2+2xfull kayazi in Jaws is your best bet, def 15 tough no knockdown no blasts is absolute best we can do.
Also I'm not sure how effective "teching against AK" is. Take lots of weaponmasters and have them shot off the table? AK is pretty diverse theme. Best anti-AK tech is 4x gremlins, but that is also best anti-Khador tech in general.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 11, 2018 17:13:51 GMT
Khador can't skew def well because we don't have def buffs from caster. If you want to try it, I2+2xfull kayazi in Jaws is your best bet, def 15 tough no knockdown no blasts is absolute best we can do. Just for the hell of it, what happens you have Vlad2 feated Kayazy in S0's Fog of War?
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chuggyg
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Post by chuggyg on Jul 11, 2018 17:16:59 GMT
Why would you waste a vlad2 feat on such a low value model? You'd get far better results off of two pairs of eliminators if you're trying to DEF skew
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 11, 2018 17:25:03 GMT
Why would you waste a vlad2 feat on such a low value model? You'd get far better results off of two pairs of eliminators if you're trying to DEF skew 1) I never said WHICH Kayazy. You seem to be assuming I meant Assassins? If so then I don't know why you thought that. 2) I said "just for the hell of it"; I was just asking about how the numbers work out, not suggesting it actually be anyone's primary defensive plan.
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chuggyg
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Post by chuggyg on Jul 11, 2018 17:59:21 GMT
Why would you waste a vlad2 feat on such a low value model? You'd get far better results off of two pairs of eliminators if you're trying to DEF skew 1) I never said WHICH Kayazy. You seem to be assuming I meant Assassins? If so then I don't know why you thought that. You were directly quoting a post talking about kayazy assassins.
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