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Post by ace on Jul 6, 2018 17:06:36 GMT
I am about to play Vlad2 (In AC) for the first time. Was wondering if using the Thresher action takes up the entire combat phase or can you buy attacks afterwards.
Thanks
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Post by sand20go on Jul 6, 2018 17:25:38 GMT
I am about to play Vlad2 (In AC) for the first time. Was wondering if using the Thresher action takes up the entire combat phase or can you buy attacks afterwards. Thanks Buy attacks afterwards. For vlad it doesn't matter (much). For anything that has 2 attacks (for example, Beast 09) you are sacrificing BOTH initials to make the "Star" attack. Two things to keep in mind. First, Thresher is against ALL models. So you CAN hit your own. Pratically a place this matters in the Armor Corp with Sorscha3 and Beast - where to apply flank you want/need your MoW in the danger zone. Second - One odd "quirk" of the game (I am sure someone could explain the WHY of this in respect some weird interaction) you resolve hit and damage on your thresher/flashing blade attacks one at time. This is different than sprays, where first you resolve the hits and then, for the models, hit, the damage. Pet peeve that this is different but I am probably missing some strange rule interaction for why important to do one one way and the other the other.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 6, 2018 18:08:11 GMT
This is different than sprays, where first you resolve the hits and then, for the models, hit, the damage. This is news to me. Is there sometging about this in the rulebook somewhere?
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Post by sand20go on Jul 6, 2018 18:10:43 GMT
This is different than sprays, where first you resolve the hits and then, for the models, hit, the damage. This is news to me. Is there sometging about this in the rulebook somewhere? My book is at home but I believe right in the section on sprays.
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Post by skathrex on Jul 7, 2018 6:58:10 GMT
Thresher attacks are simultaneous
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 7, 2018 8:28:48 GMT
This is news to me. Is there sometging about this in the rulebook somewhere? My book is at home but I believe right in the section on sprays. OK, I just had a look and I think I see where the confusion comes from. First the book says to roll attacks separately, then later it says to roll damage separately. Because of how the two parts are split up it sounds a little like it's saying that you roll all the attacks then all the damage, but I don't think that's what it means: I believe what it's saying is that you don't roll once and then apply it to all models under the template (the way you do for some special attacks such as the Ironclad's star attack), but that for both attack and damage you roll against each model individually. I think you still resolve each attack from start to finish (so attack then damage on model 1, attack then damage on model 2, etc). So same as any simultaneous attacks such as Thresher. I mean, there's no reason I can think of for it to be different in execution. Guys, can we get some more voices in here? How does everyone else do it?
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Post by hocestbellum on Jul 7, 2018 9:19:07 GMT
From Appendix 1: Timing on pg 91 of the rulebook:
5. Make all attack rolls as dictated by the type of attack and its special rules. For example, a spray attack or Thresher special attack must go through the attack roll sequence for each model potentially hit before proceeding to step 6.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 7, 2018 9:45:38 GMT
OK then. Interesting. Sounds a little unwieldy compared to just resolving each attack completely, but OK.
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Post by welshhoppo on Jul 7, 2018 9:59:59 GMT
OK then. Interesting. Sounds a little unwieldy compared to just resolving each attack completely, but OK. it works both ways, means you cant crack a shield wall by killing the middle guy first, but also means that things like Battle Driven don't trigger until the attack is resolved. But the point is that Vlad shouldn't be melee! Get him out of there!
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Juris
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Post by Juris on Jul 8, 2018 7:09:00 GMT
From Appendix 1: Timing on pg 91 of the rulebook: 5. Make all attack rolls as dictated by the type of attack and its special rules. For example, a spray attack or Thresher special attack must go through the attack roll sequence for each model potentially hit before proceeding to step 6. I think Flashing Blade works differently (in terms of attack roll- damage roll sequencing) because, although simultaneous, the spell cause you to make separate attacks against each model. Sprays and threshers are a single attack which attacks multiple models. I could be be wrong, someone check me on this.
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Post by hocestbellum on Jul 8, 2018 7:28:53 GMT
The wording is identical between Thresher and Flashing Blade, so I assume they work in the same manner
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Post by Netherby on Jul 8, 2018 8:40:46 GMT
It does matter because when you make a simultaneous attack you MUST declare all boosted rolls before rolling that set of dice. If you can't boost then it's mostly irrelevant what order you do stuff in...
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 8, 2018 9:04:10 GMT
It does matter because when you make a simultaneous attack you MUST declare all boosted rolls before rolling that set of dice. If you can't boost then it's mostly irrelevant what order you do stuff in... So I can't roll an attack roll and wait to see the outcome before deciding whether or not to boost the second attack? That's a bit unforgiving, but I guess it's probably quite rare that will actually make a difference.
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Post by Netherby on Jul 9, 2018 5:25:12 GMT
Right, you have to commit to which rolls you're going to boost before you make the first one.
I don't think I've ever really seen it make a difference...
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Post by chuggyg on Jul 9, 2018 17:43:25 GMT
It does matter because when you make a simultaneous attack you MUST declare all boosted rolls before rolling that set of dice. If you can't boost then it's mostly irrelevant what order you do stuff in... This isn't true.
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