Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Jul 21, 2018 3:34:44 GMT
[negativity] I can't say I think that's a good idea. It's just un-intuitive at best and at worst it gets T2 killed. If you walk up and use the animus with his spray you're not that "threatening". If you use T2's melee prowess you're way over extending. The only way I would risk that is in Primal terrors with Golab for sprint access. Even then a 5 inch walk does not make him too safe. So to me it's entirely upside down and backwards. You want the army to screen T2 but your purposefully running a gunline behind T2 just to take advantage of an animus. [/negativity] I do believe T2 can run a gunline. Even without arcing fire Scourge can knock down key intervening models or high def targets. His spray is still good. He can handle most jam units himself. Then can really take care of secondary attackers after things have clashed. MD makes up for the pow 16s or so when your ravagores get into melee. T2 himself can now weather an enemy gunline better. So I think he can really sit and be the cagey beast caster. Unimaginative. Giving himself sprint defeats the purpose of using him to cast the AA animus. If eThags is going to move aggressively forward so should a good portion of the army, especially if he is going to cast that animus leaving him at armour20 max. I think under eThags, the AA can just sit behind the rest of the army jamming hard with the featmove, at which point he won't need someone else to cast it for him. I liked the idea when jokingly suggested it earlier, but a list like that can't really use the feat defensively anymore, which I think is a big option for eThags to have. Why wouldn't the list be able to use the feat defensively anymore? There's a larger range of models who don't benefit from it, but that would apply to any Thagrosh2 list containing any gargantuan. At least in this case the AA can repo itself. Also, you could slipstream thagrosh2 back at the end of the turn for another 2" of distance. 12" is pretty good, especially if the closest high-threat enemy was just blown off the table that turn.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Jul 22, 2018 15:24:48 GMT
Oh, well excuse me. Let's be more imaginative then. Lets run T2 with a max FA of Legionnaires and Grot banshees!
Imaginative != good.
But by all means, call the one guy who lives and breaths anti-meta and out-of-theme lists "unimaginative". It really gets a nice constructive discussion going.
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Jul 22, 2018 18:31:27 GMT
[negativity] I can't say I think that's a good idea. It's just un-intuitive at best and at worst it gets T2 killed. If you walk up and use the animus with his spray you're not that "threatening". If you use T2's melee prowess you're way over extending. The only way I would risk that is in Primal terrors with Golab for sprint access. Even then a 5 inch walk does not make him too safe. So to me it's entirely upside down and backwards. You want the army to screen T2 but your purposefully running a gunline behind T2 just to take advantage of an animus. [/negativity] I do believe T2 can run a gunline. Even without arcing fire Scourge can knock down key intervening models or high def targets. His spray is still good. He can handle most jam units himself. Then can really take care of secondary attackers after things have clashed. MD makes up for the pow 16s or so when your ravagores get into melee. T2 himself can now weather an enemy gunline better. So I think he can really sit and be the cagey beast caster. Unimaginative. Giving himself sprint defeats the purpose of using him to cast the AA animus. If eThags is going to move aggressively forward so should a good portion of the army, especially if he is going to cast that animus leaving him at armour20 max. I think under eThags, the AA can just sit behind the rest of the army jamming hard with the featmove, at which point he won't need someone else to cast it for him. I liked the idea when jokingly suggested it earlier, but a list like that can't really use the feat defensively anymore, which I think is a big option for eThags to have. Why wouldn't the list be able to use the feat defensively anymore? There's a larger range of models who don't benefit from it, but that would apply to any Thagrosh2 list containing any gargantuan. At least in this case the AA can repo itself. Also, you could slipstream thagrosh2 back at the end of the turn for another 2" of distance. 12" is pretty good, especially if the closest high-threat enemy was just blown off the table that turn. I don't know at armour20 max it just doesn't feel like a safe place.
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Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Jul 22, 2018 23:26:39 GMT
Unimaginative. Why wouldn't the list be able to use the feat defensively anymore? There's a larger range of models who don't benefit from it, but that would apply to any Thagrosh2 list containing any gargantuan. At least in this case the AA can repo itself. Also, you could slipstream thagrosh2 back at the end of the turn for another 2" of distance. 12" is pretty good, especially if the closest high-threat enemy was just blown off the table that turn. I don't know at armour20 max it just doesn't feel like a safe place. 12" is usually pretty safe from melee, and if you're facing stuff that does threaten higher than that, you usually know about it.
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Jul 23, 2018 6:03:13 GMT
I don't know at armour20 max it just doesn't feel like a safe place. 12" is usually pretty safe from melee, and if you're facing stuff that does threaten higher than that, you usually know about it. Ok cool. AA, serpah, two more heavies (at least one of which should be carni or typhon I think) and some scrubbers. Worth exploring.
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