Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on Jul 1, 2018 12:31:44 GMT
Arcaux what list do you run a Basher in? I am looking to play one and can't seem to find something that works. Currently both my lists have a Basher Kolgrima (sotN) - runebearer - Mountain king - Basher Min Stone + NE Min Raiders Min lookouts BEARS Fire Eaters Min Champions+ Skaldi and Sorcerer Northkin Shaman Fell Caller Hero Borka2 (Pod) - Runebearer - Mulg - Rok - Earthborn - Earthborn - Axer - Basher Max stone + SE whelps Whelps Northkin Shaman
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flogger
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Post by flogger on Jul 6, 2018 21:07:53 GMT
Has any one considered here with like Mauler, 8 Ice trolls and a Northkin elder in PoD? Boosted POW 18s seem like a thing. But just a Quick thought.
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Post by Trollock on Jul 7, 2018 8:11:21 GMT
Has any one considered here with like Mauler, 8 Ice trolls and a Northkin elder in PoD? Boosted POW 18s seem like a thing. But just a Quick thought. Paying 2 fury to do 3 damage to a heavy seems really inefficient. That is half the damage of molten metal for the same cost. Or less than the damage bonus from boosting for twice the cost. Sure, you can do it if you have nothing else to spend your fury on but i do not think it has a lot of value on the table... I think we have all thought about gunnbjorn with a bunch of ice trolls. Probably runs in to scenario provlems though and the output is way lower than something like caine 3 with hist light spam.
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Post by Bomma on Jul 7, 2018 22:40:11 GMT
I've looked at the pow 18 ice spear on several occasions but the amount of work you need to do and the resources you need to spend to get it there isn't worth it.
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mazog
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Post by mazog on Jul 7, 2018 23:33:04 GMT
We are getting off topic, but what the hell. Leto with a mass of ice trolls would be funny. Not legal for most tournaments, but funny.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jul 8, 2018 4:15:27 GMT
I've looked at the pow 18 ice spear on several occasions but the amount of work you need to do and the resources you need to spend to get it there isn't worth it. B. I guess it might be with Calandra or Madrak 3 casting Soothing Song, or if you just needed a lot of fury for whatever reason. However, POW 15 RNG 10 gun on a 9-point light warbeast with Pathfinder is plenty worthwhile. I saw a list once with Kolgrimma in POD and 2x Ice Trolls and a Winter Troll. It seemed to work, and if you think about it, is not really that much worse than Nemo 3 needing to plan around Kreuger was.
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Post by Bomma on Jul 9, 2018 8:06:32 GMT
I think just using the winter trolls with the spray would be a better use of resources? Able to affect more models with the 8" spray? Or am I reading to much into the use of a pow 14 spray due to Kolgrimas dark power?
B.
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cuberic
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Post by cuberic on Jul 9, 2018 23:09:29 GMT
I'm tempted to try something like: conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0Gj1fmiYjq6G0li-iZiZj5j02NTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Storm of the North [Kolgrima 1] Kolgrima Stonetruth, Winter Witch [+28] - Glacier King [35] - Ice Troll [9] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Northkin Elder [3] Northkin Bear Handlers & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Bear Handlers & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Raiders (max) [15] Pyg Lookouts (max) [10] Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew [2]
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Post by Trollock on Jul 10, 2018 11:51:08 GMT
I'm tempted to try something like: conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0Gj1fmiYjq6G0li-iZiZj5j02NTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Storm of the North [Kolgrima 1] Kolgrima Stonetruth, Winter Witch [+28] - Glacier King [35] - Ice Troll [9] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Northkin Elder [3] Northkin Bear Handlers & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Bear Handlers & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Raiders (max) [15] Pyg Lookouts (max) [10] Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew [2] Changing the ice troll to a wibter troll in that list allows for a third free card... Just saying....
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cuberic
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Post by cuberic on Jul 10, 2018 14:52:54 GMT
Oh I know that. I was thinking that kolgrimma is good enough on her own, that trying build a list just to get that 3rd free solo really reduces your possible options. I was exploring a kit that synergizes with how I like to play her.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jul 10, 2018 16:30:03 GMT
Oh I know that. I was thinking that kolgrimma is good enough on her own, that trying build a list just to get that 3rd free solo really reduces your possible options. I was exploring a kit that synergizes with how I like to play her. To insist on always maxing out freebies without exception is a trap, but in this case, you really are better off with a Winter or Swamp Troll and either Valka or maybe a Shaman. The Ice Troll doesn't add anything that the GK doesn't already bring as far as Granny is concerned, especially with no Rage.
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Post by Bomma on Jul 10, 2018 22:33:28 GMT
That's an interesting point..
I usually fall into the trap of trying to get as much as possible out of the synergise (northkin models for speed, warrior models for the str and cold damage for the buff) but does Kolgrima do enough work on her own with her sprays to not bother trying to maximise the cold damage?
What would be a worthwhile battle group just focusing on using her points? Are there any must have animi?
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jul 11, 2018 3:53:28 GMT
That's an interesting point.. I usually fall into the trap of trying to get as much as possible out of the synergise (northkin models for speed, warrior models for the str and cold damage for the buff) but does Kolgrima do enough work on her own with her sprays to not bother trying to maximise the cold damage? What would be a worthwhile battle group just focusing on using her points? Are there any must have animi? B. Kolgrimma and Grim 2 are our most challenging warlocks to pilot well. Both have a lot of moving parts and plenty of room to make mistakes of which they are not at all forgiving. I seriously think this is the single biggest thing keeping her from taking down major tourneys; that on the fifth game of the day even the best players get worn out, and that's especially bad with her. And Borka 2 fills a similar niche in pairing strategy while being much easier (and IMO more fun) to play. One common mistake is for us to place a cloud when a spray really is a better use of the same 2 Fury. She is ridiculously deadly with it because of Fury 7 to hit, the Elder for +2 damage, and Dark Power to help both. TBH, either Winter's Tide should cost 3 or she should just have Frost Hammer like her first CID version did. As for animi, there aren't any that she really needs. Earth Blessing can help keep her from getting pulled or KD, but she can CYA pretty well without it. That said, Mulg channeling is a good reason to seriously consider putting her in POD. She does like the Northkin beasts for synergy with the Elder and because she can spray through them (or the EBDT) with impunity. She likes the Kings because she can hide behind them and protect them in turn with Owl's Blessing. The GK doubles down on both counts with his cold damage and concealment aura. She also spends a lot of fury (thus needs her beasts to be able to generate 5 or 6 every turn without trouble) and prefers beasts who can project long threat ranges while advancing behind clouds, so the Bomber is also a favorite. Thankfully, though, she can usually get away with minimal camps. A Northkin Shaman or even two might seem redundant, but it's a good kind of redundancy. Sometimes Kolgrimma can only afford two clouds but needs more. They are also good at hunting other solos and capping and holding flags. With the Elder, they are a credible threat to many shield walls.
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mhean
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Post by mhean on Jul 11, 2018 8:38:51 GMT
Thanks for the tactica. I do not agree with 100% of what you said but it still pretty helpfull. I'll also try to share my experience
I've played kolgrima for quite a lot and she is my main caster for WTC this year. I've played her in POD and SotN, but I prefer her in SotN by far, and the reason is simple : being able to spray your own models without killing/stationnary them. This helps for : - Unjaming jour army (basic) - You can spray you own troop to hit a model behing the cloud wall - Do nasty angles for the sprays
Also units is really important at the moment for the scenario, and SoTN has a bunch of really good units.
One of the things that I don't really agree with is the Cursed Fate spell. I personnally use it a lot cause of my list construction. I have raiders in my list, and with this spell they kill high ARM infantry like nothing (cursed fate + raiders killed 15 immortals in one round under Zaal2 feat) Also it's super helpfull against cold immune army, especially other trolls (champions don't like DEF debuff). A really powerfull spells depending on your list construction.
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Post by Bomma on Jul 12, 2018 23:42:05 GMT
Do you find Kolgrima being your anti ranged list drop? Or does her just being in your pair prevent most players from dropping their ranged list into you?
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