tomw
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Post by tomw on Jun 28, 2018 12:14:44 GMT
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bundeez
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Post by bundeez on Jun 28, 2018 13:42:01 GMT
Great article, thanks for sharing Yeah it's a little long, you could cut out the parts that are not about Kolgrima (you describe the different units in SotN), but it's not that bad. More information on what lists you drop her against or specific choices during those matchups could be cool if you look to improve the article. A couple of questions: - Is she your main list? - How does the Fire Eaters perform with no Pyre Troll backup? - Do you think she would be broken if Trollbloods got a cheap solo arc node? 1 correction I noticed is you describe the minions available for the PoD list, but wrote SotN instead. Just a minor detail. All in all well written
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tomw
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Post by tomw on Jun 28, 2018 13:55:19 GMT
Thanks for the feedback! Yeah, I did feel a bit like I was running out of steam towards the end. It’s just hard to know where the kolgrima tactica ends and the storm of the north one begins sometimes!
I’ve never taken a pyre troll with fire eaters, 8 points of support for 14 points of units feels expensive (unless you want the animus too, eg Borka2). I usually just use one of the fire eaters to set the other 2 on fire when they charge- it’s 5s to hit in the back arc, and you can’t kill them if they’re in the stone aura (another reason to take a max stone!)
It’s my main list, I played it 6 out of 7 games at the welsh masters. I honestly haven’t found a list archetype it’s weak to- it struggles with some beefy legion builds, but other than that, it seems solid in the meta at the moment.
As for the cheap arc node, I’m not sure it would be broken as such, I can’t think of anything that would be particularly abusive off the top of my head. I think not arcing is a cool part of the troll faction identity though, I was almost a bit sad when we, as the last faction in the game that could never arc, got a universal arc node (albeit on an expensive character heavy).
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mazog
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Post by mazog on Jun 28, 2018 16:36:57 GMT
A tiny quibble, it isn't tagged as hordes of troll loose, which will make it a bit harder to find on your site. I liked the article in general.
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cuberic
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Post by cuberic on Jun 28, 2018 18:43:53 GMT
I like it, your article is great a overview for starting Kolgrimma. She's a really strong caster. Her attrition and assassination game is super strong.
One thing is that she will burn through fury fast. It's real easy to get her killed because you spend all that fury casting spells.
I have played similar lists that you propose and they do good work in jack and beast lists. You also have an easier time with assassinations as those lists are ran by squishier casters.
I was thinking about trying to see how she might handle a hooch hauler, and some lookouts. Try for troop clearing instead of armor cracking, and have a different list that can handle cover heavier armor.
Call me crazy, but I love the bomber with her. She needs the fury it generates, and loves the addition for assassinations. A single light can generate that little bit of extra fury and if you go full ham on troops, a bomber + pyre or winter are exactly her warbeast points and you will never have fury problems. Another option that I believe is good (haven't tested it) would be glacier king + light of your choice.
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mazog
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Post by mazog on Jun 28, 2018 21:01:51 GMT
She might like Bomber and swamp troll. Just in case she AND the bomber can't finish the job, the swamp can pull the victim in close or stand in front of her and Swarm to effectively buff her defense.
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A-Mo
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Post by A-Mo on Jun 29, 2018 19:20:16 GMT
Thanks for the post. I'm trying to get back into the game after a 7 month break, and I'd really like to give Cold-G a run. I was confused by your preference for Croak Raiders over Brigands. Is the extra free solo really worth it? It seems like Brigands do so much more. Am I missing something regarding the Croaks? If it's just to get a unit into the list for scoring, seems like Swamp Gobbers of Valkyries would be way more helpful, while saving points.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jun 30, 2018 2:58:57 GMT
If she isn't in POD, and she only has a couple beasts, then it is a good idea for one of those to be a Bomber, for exactly those reasons. You might also consider an Ice Troll because it can also benefit from the +2 cold damage from the Northkin Elder, or you might want to diversify damage types. At one point I was looking at Mauler, Ice Troll x2 as a BG for her.
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Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on Jun 30, 2018 11:24:36 GMT
If she isn't in POD, and she only has a couple beasts, then it is a good idea for one of those to be a Bomber, for exactly those reasons. You might also consider an Ice Troll because it can also benefit from the +2 cold damage from the Northkin Elder, or you might want to diversify damage types. At one point I was looking at Mauler, Ice Troll x2 as a BG for her. She's so good with a huge base. The ability to make it untargetable by spells means many lists just straight up can't deal with an MK or GK nomatter what they throw at it. They also both offer the offensive assassination support that you want so that kolg is always a threat. Yes you can always see them through the clouds but in reality that is never a problem
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Post by Trollock on Jun 30, 2018 18:52:15 GMT
If she isn't in POD, and she only has a couple beasts, then it is a good idea for one of those to be a Bomber, for exactly those reasons. You might also consider an Ice Troll because it can also benefit from the +2 cold damage from the Northkin Elder, or you might want to diversify damage types. At one point I was looking at Mauler, Ice Troll x2 as a BG for her. She's so good with a huge base. The ability to make it untargetable by spells means many lists just straight up can't deal with an MK or GK nomatter what they throw at it. They also both offer the offensive assassination support that you want so that kolg is always a threat. Yes you can always see them through the clouds but in reality that is never a problem Do you run a king in sotn? Do you play her with only a light for additional fury to still get 3 free things? I always feel like i am missing out when playing a king+light battle group. The light always feel pretty bad, but i do not want only a single beast and i do not want to leave the third free solo at home With fury 5 and even fury 6 casters i have begun to like a sibgle GK as bg in sotn though. That just wont work for kolgrimma. Havent read the entire article yet, but the part i did read was well written. Thanks!
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Post by LoS Jaden on Jun 30, 2018 19:20:07 GMT
She's so good with a huge base. The ability to make it untargetable by spells means many lists just straight up can't deal with an MK or GK nomatter what they throw at it. They also both offer the offensive assassination support that you want so that kolg is always a threat. Yes you can always see them through the clouds but in reality that is never a problem Do you run a king in sotn? Do you play her with only a light for additional fury to still get 3 free things? I always feel like i am missing out when playing a king+light battle group. The light always feel pretty bad, but i do not want only a single beast and i do not want to leave the third free solo at home With fury 5 and even fury 6 casters i have begun to like a sibgle GK as bg in sotn though. That just wont work for kolgrimma. Havent read the entire article yet, but the part i did read was well written. Thanks! I could see gk and ice troll as the battlegroup, that wouldn't suck.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jun 30, 2018 20:30:08 GMT
Do you run a king in sotn? Do you play her with only a light for additional fury to still get 3 free things? I always feel like i am missing out when playing a king+light battle group. The light always feel pretty bad, but i do not want only a single beast and i do not want to leave the third free solo at home :( With fury 5 and even fury 6 casters i have begun to like a sibgle GK as bg in sotn though. That just wont work for kolgrimma. Havent read the entire article yet, but the part i did read was well written. Thanks! I could see gk and ice troll as the battlegroup, that wouldn't suck Or a Bouncer, for a Shield Guard and the animus. Maybe a Pyre with Fire Eaters.
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Post by Trollock on Jun 30, 2018 20:41:23 GMT
Using the Bouncer or Ice Troll will cost you your third solo though...
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Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on Jun 30, 2018 21:20:50 GMT
She's so good with a huge base. The ability to make it untargetable by spells means many lists just straight up can't deal with an MK or GK nomatter what they throw at it. They also both offer the offensive assassination support that you want so that kolg is always a threat. Yes you can always see them through the clouds but in reality that is never a problem Do you run a king in sotn? Do you play her with only a light for additional fury to still get 3 free things? I always feel like i am missing out when playing a king+light battle group. The light always feel pretty bad, but i do not want only a single beast and i do not want to leave the third free solo at home With fury 5 and even fury 6 casters i have begun to like a sibgle GK as bg in sotn though. That just wont work for kolgrimma. Havent read the entire article yet, but the part i did read was well written. Thanks! I use the basher. It's really really good. Beat Back, Crit Stagger, Pow 14 and a really good animus that can debuff other models. I think they are absolutely amazing.
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Post by grabsnikk on Jul 1, 2018 9:12:06 GMT
Arcaux what list do you run a Basher in? I am looking to play one and can't seem to find something that works.
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