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Post by MrHaystacks on Oct 30, 2018 10:02:49 GMT
I think if PP just came out and stated where the limited factions stand, what to "roughly" expect release and update wise go on would just end this whole argument. Since Ltd factions are now going to be more prevalent this needs outlining. I only needs to be an outline of all the factions in general. Like many things this can be solved with 3 min video with devs, or 500~1000 words.
If people asked for this, I think PP will speak up as this is about the future of the Ltd factions as much as the current.
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Post by mcdermott on Oct 30, 2018 19:20:15 GMT
They did though, literally nothing has changed about limited factions from their first statement on it. Where is the confusion in "not getting the same level of support as the primary factions"
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Post by javaman21011 on Oct 30, 2018 21:47:35 GMT
Businesses aren’t people. If someone I know lied to me like that I’d probably never trust them, but requiring a business to be truthful doesn’t make sense. Businesses basically require the ability to back track on promises and switch gears quickly to survive. I think this is the gist of what went on.. they promised CID improvements, something happened and then had to backtrack. It's annoying for sure, but from a business perspective (and given that I've never run a business) it might be normal. However that doesn't really allay peoples' feelings of being lied to.. If PP wanted to improve CoC and couldn't for whatever reason, then it would behoove them to have a proper PR response as to why. Hand-waving it away as "it's just business" or "businesses don't have to tell the truth" makes people reconsider buying from that business and remaining loyal to it's products. And that kind of distrust is not good for the bottom line. People totally understand that a limited faction gets limited support and I for one am happy with the new models (Orion, Frustrum Locus, Locke) and the attention to the theme force ala the EF, but at the end of the day they still lied, twice: first about the command books and then about the CID. I'm still a fan of WarmaHordes and an even bigger fan of CoC, so I'll be sticking around regardless. But it's just really annoying when PP doesn't utilize a proper PR person to disseminate problems in their production pipeline. It's cool that devs reach out the community, but they aren't the best communicators around.. and that's what people have a problem with; communication.
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Post by javaman21011 on Oct 30, 2018 21:49:57 GMT
They did though, literally nothing has changed about limited factions from their first statement on it. Where is the confusion in "not getting the same level of support as the primary factions" I think many people expect a more quantifiable definition. Such as "Limited Factions will get approx 1 model every 2 years, and will be involved in a CID cycle at most once per 18 months" or something. Leaving that phrase so vague just goes back to how people feel about PP and/or the trust they have in the company and wanting to invest in their products.
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Post by mcdermott on Oct 30, 2018 22:47:33 GMT
They did though, literally nothing has changed about limited factions from their first statement on it. Where is the confusion in "not getting the same level of support as the primary factions" I think many people expect a more quantifiable definition. Such as "Limited Factions will get approx 1 model every 2 years, and will be involved in a CID cycle at most once per 18 months" or something. Leaving that phrase so vague just goes back to how people feel about PP and/or the trust they have in the company and wanting to invest in their products. So they want MORE information than full support factions get.
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Post by danfromchicago on Oct 31, 2018 17:02:59 GMT
As far s I knew, everything that PP has said about CoC applied to the old release cycle. I wasn't aware of any specific statements about Convergence support in the CID era. Could you point me to a link? As far as I know unless they say "CoC has changed and will receive the same amount of support as the non limited factions" one can assume that a policy is continuing forward. Especially as they continue to use the term "limited release factions"
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Post by danfromchicago on Oct 31, 2018 17:05:13 GMT
I completely understand that PP does not treat Convergence like Cygnar. I am trying to demonstrate the game of telephone which gets played here, by almost everyone participating, including myself.
Is there a policy? Probably? We don't know what it is. THEY may not know what it is at this point.
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Post by crow on Oct 31, 2018 20:39:24 GMT
I completely understand that PP does not treat Convergence like Cygnar. I am trying to demonstrate the game of telephone which gets played here, by almost everyone participating, including myself. Is there a policy? Probably? We don't know what it is. THEY may not know what it is at this point. So I tried looking into this, and there was information where apparently Soles confirmed that Grymkin would be receiving limited releases, or that it would be a limited release faction. However every source I tried to track down took me back to the old forums which are no longer accessible. Point is that yes, there were comments about them receiving limited releases, or that there would be limited release factions, however since the shutdown of the old forums, I am unable to provide direct links or sources as it would appear that is where most of the evidence was. However that being said the link that I found would have been through here; www.reddit.com/r/Warmachine/comments/5tnn0f/new_hordes_faction_a_limited_release/clicking on the link under "New Hordes Faction a limited release." would have taken you to that conversation I imagine, if anyone does have the ability to still access old forum information that would be a place to start. Also I would guess that if such news was true for Grymkin, it would be true about CoC.
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Post by claptrap on Oct 31, 2018 22:53:53 GMT
On the bright side, at least we're not Cephalyx.
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Post by MrHaystacks on Nov 1, 2018 9:17:36 GMT
They did though, literally nothing has changed about limited factions from their first statement on it. Where is the confusion in "not getting the same level of support as the primary factions" People are asking for some details. Can they expect a CID eventually? is the big one I can see. The main issue stems form when PP says one thing and then backtracks.
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Post by danfromchicago on Nov 1, 2018 15:03:30 GMT
I completely understand that PP does not treat Convergence like Cygnar. I am trying to demonstrate the game of telephone which gets played here, by almost everyone participating, including myself. Is there a policy? Probably? We don't know what it is. THEY may not know what it is at this point. ... and there was information where apparently ...
telephone
We're depending on memory. Memory is plastic. The mini-factions are not the same as the old factions. That's what we know.
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Post by mcdermott on Nov 1, 2018 18:11:39 GMT
They did though, literally nothing has changed about limited factions from their first statement on it. Where is the confusion in "not getting the same level of support as the primary factions" People are asking for some details. Can they expect a CID eventually? is the big one I can see. The main issue stems form when PP says one thing and then backtracks. I don't see backtracking from limited release or not the same level of support and its an unreasonable burden to shout " its all just telephone" when the announcement was given on a defunct forum 5 years ago. At this point its on others to prove that its not the case given the evidence and memory of basically everyone else. But lets look at the evidence of our eyes shall we? They've had what, 4 or 5 releases in the 5 years since the faction came out? People who were around since then distinctly remember the term limited release, and the statement of less support Every reputable wiki involving the game places them in the limited release sphere
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Post by crow on Nov 1, 2018 19:15:01 GMT
... and there was information where apparently ...
telephone
We're depending on memory. Memory is plastic. The mini-factions are not the same as the old factions. That's what we know.
www.beastsofwar.com/liveblogentry/grymkin-faction-overview-hungerford/Interview again with someone from PP declaring Grymkin a “contained” or limited faction. There is more evidence out there to support that it’s limited then to say “but it might not”. Stop giving people false hope, Convergence is limited and if you’re getting into it, expect that!
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Post by danfromchicago on Nov 1, 2018 20:10:47 GMT
Let me quote myself:
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I completely understand that PP does not treat Convergence like Cygnar. I am trying to demonstrate the game of telephone which gets played here, by almost everyone participating, including myself.
Is there a policy? Probably? We don't know what it is.
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Post by danfromchicago on Nov 1, 2018 20:14:39 GMT
FTR, I don't expect CoC to go through a theme or full rebalancing CID cycle any time soon.
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