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Post by cainuslupus on Jun 22, 2018 15:05:30 GMT
Welcome gentlemans. My Vayl2 CotD list have been rolfstomped yesterday by Skarre1 Banes spam. Then I thought about using Incubi to stop banes from continuing charge after impact attacks to my front row infantry. Am I reading rules correctly?
Also,can I double dip on them using Spawning Vessel (first when trooper dies, then when Incubi is killed)?
What do you use against that perfectly balanced combo?
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Jun 22, 2018 16:12:41 GMT
I believe the Incubii removes the original so no, the spawning vessel does not get two tokens.
I am unsure about the impact interaction
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Post by chuggyg on Jun 22, 2018 16:41:32 GMT
Fairly certain the incubus would go down immediately after the model is destroyed by the impact attack, so yeah, it would stop the charge
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Post by eauc on Jun 22, 2018 19:18:02 GMT
Yes they stop charge if the knights use impact attacks. But the knights shouldn't be able to setup a lot of impact attacks. They usually can't in my games (aside from impacts when they are already in melee with their charge targets, and even then you can deny most of them). Incubi do not rfp models, so yes 2 corpses token. However if you're paying for incubi and pot(s), in CotD, you already have such a disavantage point-wise against Cryx, especially Skarre1 (I assume dark host), that I'd probably never recover the attrition game myself  |
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Jun 22, 2018 20:05:49 GMT
ok, I need clarification on replace models. I thought that the original is "removed" and the incubi put in place.
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Post by jojobrunnix on Jun 22, 2018 21:39:10 GMT
About the second question:
Same solution as allways since the cid:
Drop pt and laugh as anyone trys to out melee you
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Post by dogganmguest on Jun 23, 2018 2:27:47 GMT
ok, I need clarification on replace models. I thought that the original is "removed" and the incubi put in place. The incubus replaces the model after it is destroyed, and the phrase "remove from play" is not present. So at the destroyed step it generates a token and then you can place the incubus. |
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Post by cainuslupus on Jun 23, 2018 13:54:23 GMT
Yes they stop charge if the knights use impact attacks. But the knights shouldn't be able to setup a lot of impact attacks. They usually can't in my games (aside from impacts when they are already in melee with their charge targets, and even then you can deny most of them). Incubi do not rfp models, so yes 2 corpses token. However if you're paying for incubi and pot(s), in CotD, you already have such a disavantage point-wise against Cryx, especially Skarre1 (I assume dark host), that I'd probably never recover the attrition game myself Well, Incubi can be taken for free in CotD and I found at he begining of MK3 they're really good as scenario pieces. I test SV more as assassination enabler than attrition piece but with current lessers and it's absurd cost it's probably liability. |
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Post by eauc on Jun 23, 2018 15:05:25 GMT
With the current rules you only 1 free incubus, not 5 Which is ridiculous... (warroom allows you 5, and I don't think any opponent will notice). Yes, the main problem is the current state of the lessers. If they were correct, it could be an interesting solution against dark host, since you can now collect corpses of banes. Might still be worth a try, spawning shredders and trying to kill high cost banes like the riders... won't work too well against the single wound banes I'm afraid. I personnaly use wasps into DarkHost/pSkarre, because they trade well into stalkers, and sometimes riders. |
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Post by rhonlore on Jun 23, 2018 15:58:55 GMT
With the current rules you only 1 free incubus, not 5 Which is ridiculous... (warroom allows you 5, and I don't think any opponent will notice). Yes, the main problem is the current state of the lessers. If they were correct, it could be an interesting solution against dark host, since you can now collect corpses of banes. Might still be worth a try, spawning shredders and trying to kill high cost banes like the riders... won't work too well against the single wound banes I'm afraid. I personnaly use wasps into DarkHost/pSkarre, because they trade well into stalkers, and sometimes riders. Per this thread you get five. privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?270404-Free-Solos-from-Theme-benefits-that-are-bought-in-Groups&highlight=free |
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Post by eauc on Jun 23, 2018 17:48:23 GMT
With the current rules you only 1 free incubus, not 5 Which is ridiculous... (warroom allows you 5, and I don't think any opponent will notice). Yes, the main problem is the current state of the lessers. If they were correct, it could be an interesting solution against dark host, since you can now collect corpses of banes. Might still be worth a try, spawning shredders and trying to kill high cost banes like the riders... won't work too well against the single wound banes I'm afraid. I personnaly use wasps into DarkHost/pSkarre, because they trade well into stalkers, and sometimes riders. Per this thread you get five. privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?270404-Free-Solos-from-Theme-benefits-that-are-bought-in-Groups&highlight=freeThanks for the link ! I missed the ruling at the time... |
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Jun 24, 2018 11:02:04 GMT
ok, I need clarification on replace models. I thought that the original is "removed" and the incubi put in place. Maybe you are thinking about Kalus' feat? He places incubi at an earlier stage, and as such don't feed the pot. Incubi and the pot combine great with lotsa infantry, because incubi feed the pot as well. Been glancing often at bokor+pot+incubi shenanigans. |
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