moquan
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Post by moquan on Jun 20, 2018 12:37:27 GMT
Hey all,
It's time, dojo-time!
Expecting not that much more changes, this is what I'm dropping into Cryx tomorrow (no idea what he plays):
[Theme] Exemplar Interdiction
[Cyrenia 1] High Exemplar Cyrenia [+28] - Dervish [7] - Dervish [7] - Sanctifier [14] Anastasia di Bray [3] Exemplar Errant Seneschal [3] High Exemplar Gravus [8] Vassal Mechanik [1] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Exemplar Cinerators (max) [13] - Exemplar Cinerator Officer [0(6)] Exemplar Cinerators (max) [13] - Exemplar Cinerator Officer [0(6)] Exemplar Errants (max) [16] - Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard [0(4)] Shrine of the Lawgiver [14]
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Post by macdaddy on Jun 20, 2018 13:18:03 GMT
Played this a bit in CiD. Pretty Excited to try it when the Judi rules and HoS drop.
[Cyrenia 1] High Exemplar Cyrenia [+28] - Judicator [35] - Sanctifier [14] - Hierophant [0(3)] Allegiant of the Order of the Fist [3] Allegiant of the Order of the Fist [3] Champion of the Order of the Wall [8] Champion of the Order of the Wall [8] Hand of Silence [7] High Paladin Dartan Vilmon [0(6)] Wrack [1] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15] - Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [5]
Judi hits at Mat 10 P+S27 with Hand of Fate, all while being a solid firing platform with arm 21 from IR. If all the buffs go off it will kill 2 khador heavies on average. Allegiant's under feat will be obnoxious. If you kill and idrian they get to advance into annoying spots (same with the champs) Also, rock wall combined with theme wall can make for a pretty sexy bunker.
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Post by shroomvolcano on Jun 20, 2018 18:45:56 GMT
I was thinking about just going all out on our small-based Knights:
[Cyrenia 1] High Exemplar Cyrenia [+28] - Dervish [7] - Redeemer [11] - Revenger [10] Exemplar Warder [0(5)] Exemplar Warder Elias Gade [0(5)] Knights Exemplar Seneschal [0(5)] Vassal Mechanik [1] Exemplar Errants (min) [10] - Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard [4] Exemplar Errants (min) [10] - Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard [4] Knights Exemplar [9] - Knights Exemplar Officer [5] Knights Exemplar [9] - Knights Exemplar Officer [5] Knights Exemplar [9] Knights Exemplar [9]
That's 45 different Knights in a bunch of waves with a Revenger for the Arc node, a Redeemer to soften some things up on the way in and hit support. I slotted in the Dervish because it perfectly rounded out her WJ points, and it's decent at assassination. No Choir makes me feel kind of naked, but with this many weaponmasters, Armor shouldn't be a huge problem.
I think the game plan would be to cast Dash and just run as fast as I can, between that and the feat means that a lot of Knights are going to be up the field really fast (and Errants start threatening the AD line with Assault shots T1), and if some die on the way in, that's the will of Menoth, but I'd probably try to avoid dropping it into any heavy gun lines or taking meaningless losses.
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Post by macdaddy on Jun 20, 2018 19:25:10 GMT
The issue with running all the dudes, is she does little to actually support exemplar infantry outside of her battle plans. IR is good on cinerators, battle plans are cute, the feat is OK, but other than that, well...
She really wants jacks. Pos charge is amazing and rock wall can make up for our pitiful threat ranges without a speed buff. Her feat is also nice in tandem with our ashen veil jacks (up to def 16 behind the wall and 18 from ranged for the heavies!) She also prefers a smaller model count IMO to leverage Pos charge, Cinerators and bastions can do some serious hurt going in on something while within 3 of a jack with Pos charge. And thanks to reach you can even get a decent number on the jack you are going for. Bastions hit at Mat 9 P+S 16 and cinnies at P+S 13.
Throw in Sevvy0 and things get...fun. EG: [Cyrenia 1] High Exemplar Cyrenia [+28] - Purifier [8] - Purifier [8] - Sanctifier [14] - Hierophant [3] Scrutator Potentate Severius [0(6)] - Fire of Salvation [15] Vassal Mechanik [1] Vassal Mechanik [1] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Exemplar Bastions (max) [16] Exemplar Cinerators (max) [13] - Exemplar Cinerator Officer [0(6)] Exemplar Errants (max) [16] - Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard [4] Not optimized or anything and will need a lot of work but consider: -Tough errants act as a annoying screen. -Cinerators at alwasy arm 23 are hard to remove. -Bastions hit at mat 10 P+S 16 Weaponmaster.... (edit I thought they were pow 14, only pow 13...sadness) -Purifiers are Def 17 under feat and 19 behind the wall. Hit at Mat 10 P+S18 Blessed. (counting ashen veil here) -Fire of salvation has an impressive 16" threat if he gets both Righteous Vengeance and Road to war.
Maybe Thyra can run infantry better to skew Mat and Pow, but if you want a combined arms list with some durability it looks like Cyrenia is your Gal.
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Post by streetpizza on Jun 20, 2018 19:27:26 GMT
I was thinking the double tough no knockdown route: conflictchamber.com/#c2201b_-0ElT1q1q1q1rmelUm07z2mbQ2mbQ2jfV2jfVProtectorate Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Exemplar Interdiction !!! Your army contains pre-release entries. !!! Your army contains CID entries. [Cyrenia 1] High Exemplar Cyrenia [+28] - Dervish [7] - Dervish [7] - Dervish [7] - Devout [9] - Hierophant [3] Exemplar Warder [0(5)] High Exemplar Gravus [8] Rhupert Carvolo, Piper of Ord [4] Exemplar Errants (max) [16] - Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard [4] Exemplar Errants (max) [16] - Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard [4] Knights Exemplar [9] - Knights Exemplar Officer [0(5)] Knights Exemplar [9] - Knights Exemplar Officer [0(5)] Mac positive charge is also an infantry buff. If you can deliver the warriors they will hit like trucks with a jack around.
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Post by macdaddy on Jun 20, 2018 19:45:18 GMT
streetpizza I know how do you think I got pow 17 bastions? My point was its easier to get on Medium bases with 2" reach than small bases with 1 or 1/2"
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spideredd
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Post by spideredd on Jun 20, 2018 19:52:34 GMT
I'm not so sure that she's a jack caster. Dash is Warrior models only and is a big reason as to why I'm now going to be painting 20+ exemplar over the summer.
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Post by streetpizza on Jun 20, 2018 20:00:30 GMT
I'm not so sure that she's a jack caster. Dash is Warrior models only and is a big reason as to why I'm now going to be painting 20+ exemplar over the summer. I'm also thinking vengers because of Dash. It gives them some ridiculous threat ranges and the blow right past or through whatever the screen is.
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Post by gargs454 on Jun 20, 2018 20:01:48 GMT
I can certainly see a bit of a combined arms approach with her. I also like the idea of combining medium and small based exemplar with her, perhaps a bit of both worlds? Don't have access to Warroom at work, but might play around with some ideas tonight. And yes, I definitely see a lot of exemplar painting in my future, though that's mainly because I am sooooo far behind on my painting.
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Post by macdaddy on Jun 20, 2018 20:32:15 GMT
I'm not so sure that she's a jack caster. Dash is Warrior models only and is a big reason as to why I'm now going to be painting 20+ exemplar over the summer. I wasn't trying to say she was a jack caster. I just think she runs best with combined arms and a tighter, smaller model count force Like medium based exemplar and some jacks in the mix. Pos charge and rock wall really push her towards that build. I find dash to be good, but honestly its not one of those spells I think you need to maximize value out of with loads of dudes. Even her Special Orders push her more towards a centralized list approach. Focusing on supporting a few units individually or mega buffing a single unit like cinerators in some way. I think if you want to run lots of small based exemplar, you are better with vindictus, who delivers them better and can provide buffs to them easier. I will say though, she is incredibly versatile and my testing has all been with my ideal build, so I am sure she works fine with all the dudes.
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spideredd
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Post by spideredd on Jun 20, 2018 20:40:11 GMT
My own list (that I have yet to run) has a core of Errants to hurl at my opponent's front lines and hold there while the rest of my list advances.
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Post by paradox on Jun 20, 2018 21:52:43 GMT
The issue with running all the dudes, is she does little to actually support exemplar infantry outside of her battle plans. IR is good on cinerators, battle plans are cute, the feat is OK, but other than that, well... She really wants jacks. Pos charge is amazing and rock wall can make up for our pitiful threat ranges without a speed buff. Her feat is also nice in tandem with our ashen veil jacks (up to def 16 behind the wall and 18 from ranged for the heavies!) She also prefers a smaller model count IMO to leverage Pos charge, Cinerators and bastions can do some serious hurt going in on something while within 3 of a jack with Pos charge. And thanks to reach you can even get a decent number on the jack you are going for. Bastions hit at Mat 9 P+S 16 and cinnies at P+S 13. Throw in Sevvy0 and things get...fun. EG: [Cyrenia 1] High Exemplar Cyrenia [+28] - Purifier [8] - Purifier [8] - Sanctifier [14] - Hierophant [3] Scrutator Potentate Severius [0(6)] - Fire of Salvation [15] Vassal Mechanik [1] Vassal Mechanik [1] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Exemplar Bastions (max) [16] Exemplar Cinerators (max) [13] - Exemplar Cinerator Officer [0(6)] Exemplar Errants (max) [16] - Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard [4] Not optimized or anything and will need a lot of work but consider: -Tough errants act as a annoying screen. -Cinerators at alwasy arm 23 are hard to remove. -Bastions hit at mat 10 P+S 17 Weaponmaster....
-Purifiers are Def 17 under feat and 19 behind the wall. Hit at Mat 10 P+S18 Blessed. -Fire of salvation has an impressive 16" threat if he gets both Righteous Vengeance and Road to war. Maybe Thyra can run infantry better to skew Mat and Pow, but if you want a combined arms list with some durability it looks like Cyrenia is your Gal. Bastions ended CID at PS13. Positive Charge is +2. EoM on Sev0 is +1. How are you getting to 17? And Ashen Veil only works on living models.
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Post by macdaddy on Jun 20, 2018 22:11:33 GMT
paradox Oh poop I thought they were 14 :,( I have actually found ashen veil to come up a lot more than one would think. Basically all of hordes (sans wolds) and all but the jacks in warmachine meaning its good into dudes and hordes Even without it your jacks can be def 14 behind the wall under feat or 17 in the case of the purifier
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Post by paradox on Jun 20, 2018 23:21:25 GMT
paradox Oh poop I thought they were 14 :,( I have actually found ashen veil to come up a lot more than one would think. Basically all of hordes (sans wolds) and all but the jacks in warmachine meaning its good into dudes and hordes Even without it your jacks can be def 14 behind the wall under feat or 17 in the case of the purifier I have not, but I see alot of Cryx and warjack lists too. Or Bones. Or the guys are ranged an accurate. Its not terribly meaningful in many cases.
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Post by macdaddy on Jun 21, 2018 0:35:48 GMT
paradox I just have to disagree and say it’s a meta thing. Def 17 from most shooting on Feat Turn is good on the purifier. Def 16 on our heavies begins the Wall is also good va shooting. You just have to know when you can and cannot leverage it. I have played into a lot of hordes and gunlines so it comes up a lot for me
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