eathotlead
Junior Strategist
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Post by eathotlead on Jun 20, 2018 11:36:56 GMT
Just for ornery fun I thought I'd ask the community which faction is your most hated enemy to lose to, and for that matter, which faction opponent is less painful because you tend to like their fluff? Just one or two of each and if it absolutely must be caster-specific, that could go in the reasoning. This is *most or *least bitter: I'm hoping to avoid long lists of enemy factions in the middle, to which you're ambivalent. Let's not get offended by others ripping on our own chosen toys and keep it civil!
1. Me: Khador or Rhul
2. Most bitter loss: Cygnar or Skorne
3. Less bitter loss: Protectorate or Trolls
4. Brief reasoning: Purely a visceral response.
(Honorable mentions for bitter losses would be Llael (Ashlynn) and either minions sub-faction. Honorable mention for less painful might be CoC.)
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Post by challenger on Jun 20, 2018 12:35:14 GMT
my most hated enemy to lose to would probably be circle and oddly enough CoC. something about CoC just rubs me wrong and i don't enjoy playing against them and i haven't ever put my finger on it. Circle i know exactly why. its a combination of them aiming to be as un-interactive as possible (see: bradigus, Krueger2, wurmwood) while simultaneously you can't ever discuss things with kreuger players. Their response, regardless of what happens on a table during a game is usually some combination of "krueger and the wolds TK+gallows until they win" in perfect dojoland where kreuger is undefeatable
least bitter - hmm, probably cygnar or skorne. Reasons being are these are two factions i spent time playing so i have a soft spot for them
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Post by HubertJFarnsworth on Jun 20, 2018 13:36:58 GMT
I always feel bad about fighting the Protectorate with Ret. I mean, come on guys, we both hate magic. You help us kill the heretic mages, then we kill the rest of your impure mages when that's done. See, good deal! You get to kill heretics, we get to kill mages. It's good!
Also Ret v Grymkin just because why? The elves aren't corrupted by Menoth, they aren't summoning any Infernals. Leave them alone mang.
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Post by chillychinaman on Jun 20, 2018 16:42:41 GMT
I always feel bad about fighting the Protectorate with Ret. I mean, come on guys, we both hate magic. You help us kill the heretic mages, then we kill the rest of your impure mages when that's done. See, good deal! You get to kill heretics, we get to kill mages. It's good! Also Ret v Grymkin just because why? The elves aren't corrupted by Menoth, they aren't summoning any Infernals. Leave them alone mang. About that, are, in DnD terms, Protectorate casters Divine or Arcane? I've heard that there were rumors Feora is an arcane caster that just so happened to be fire aligned which is easy to pass as divinely inspired. And finally, do the Retribution care about the nuances?
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Post by jojobrunnix on Jun 21, 2018 11:13:28 GMT
gameplay wise: Hate losing to Legion since thats my faction and i allways feel like i should have played better Lore wise: Circle. Still not sure if i understand their fluff right, but from what i gather these guys wanna end the world, or at least bring back the wurm, who is then gonna end the world. Doesnt seem very nice to mee
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Post by elricaltovilla on Jun 21, 2018 12:39:20 GMT
gameplay wise: Hate losing to Legion since thats my faction and i allways feel like i should have played better Lore wise: Circle. Still not sure if i understand their fluff right, but from what i gather these guys wanna end the world, or at least bring back the wurm, who is then gonna end the world. Doesnt seem very nice to mee It's actually the opposite for Circle. They're trying to prevent the warm from coming back by destroying or destabilizing civilization. The Devourer Wurm hates technology and stuff, so if tech and civilization get to advanced he'll come out of Urcaen to "clean house" with huge storms and natural disasters. The druids want a balance between civilization and nature, but right now civilization is "winning" so they're fighting back against it.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jun 21, 2018 12:43:39 GMT
Lore wise: Circle. Still not sure if i understand their fluff right, but from what i gather these guys wanna end the world, or at least bring back the wurm, who is then gonna end the world. Doesnt seem very nice to mee I'm pretty sure that's the exact opposite of what they're trying to do? Unless the fluff has changed significantly since MkII, the general idea was the the ley lines of the world are the source of the Devourer Wurm's power or something, but civilization chokes up the ley lines. Right now (as in, for all of recorded history) the Wurm is distracted by it's battle again Menoth in Urcaen, but if it starts to notice that it's power is weakening, it will come back to Caen to try to figure out why. When that happens it will basically wipe out all (or at least most of?) humanity. Or at least that's what they believe (this kind of fluff, like most, is presented to us in the form of dialogue and writings from in-world characters, meaning it's what they believe but not necessarily the "actual truth" of the Iron Kingdoms world). So to prevent (or at least delay) the Wurm from destroying humanity, the Circle has been subtly slowing the growth of civilization. I believe that lately they've been more actively, and more overtly so, as the subtle and secretive methods aren't cutting it anymore due to how much civilization has grown and how much destruction of nature is occurring. Edit: Ninja'd!
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jun 21, 2018 12:56:40 GMT
About that, are, in DnD terms, Protectorate casters Divine or Arcane? I've heard that there were rumors Feora is an arcane caster that just so happened to be fire aligned which is easy to pass as divinely inspired. And finally, do the Retribution care about the nuances? I'm pretty sure all magic in the iron kingdoms is arcane, the ones in Protectorate that are seen as divine are just good at explaining it. The ones that aren't getting away with it are getting wracked or bound as vassals.
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Post by HubertJFarnsworth on Jun 21, 2018 13:27:23 GMT
About that, are, in DnD terms, Protectorate casters Divine or Arcane? I've heard that there were rumors Feora is an arcane caster that just so happened to be fire aligned which is easy to pass as divinely inspired. And finally, do the Retribution care about the nuances? I'm pretty sure all magic in the iron kingdoms is arcane, the ones in Protectorate that are seen as divine are just good at explaining it. The ones that aren't getting away with it are getting wracked or bound as vassals. There is divine magic in the IK, or at least there was when it was a d20 game. The fluff still references old Menite Priest-Kings performing miracles but it was a pretty rare thing. These days I'm not sure there is much of a distinction, though there might have been the early MkI books. We still see some things that are definitely divine magic, like what happened to Severious when he died, but I don't think any of the Protectorate warcasters are strictly 'divine' magic in the classic DnD sense. The modern IKRPG doesn't handle them any differently. On the elf side we know priests do (did) have a direct magical connection to their specific god since the Rivening happened. All of a sudden one day every priest except those serving Scyrah (and Nyssor but none of them lived in Ios anymore so most of the elves didn't know that) suddenly went crazy and started attacking people and killing themselves because they lost their connection to their patron god. Characters like Harbinger and the Avatar prove that Menoth is in direct communication with at least some members of the faith, though whether he's the only reason Harbinger has magic or if he just picked someone who already had the warcaster talent I don't know.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jun 21, 2018 13:38:56 GMT
I'm not saying there isn't any kind of divine intervention, and some characters may indeed be in direct contact with their gods. Basically I'm saying all the Protectorate warcasters are a bunch of hypocrites that have the gift just like anyone, but pass it on as divine to feel better than other people.
I might be wrong in accordance with the fluff, but I'm not sure if it's explicitly stated one way or the other.
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Post by HubertJFarnsworth on Jun 21, 2018 13:55:52 GMT
Oh, you're very likely correct. The Protectorate totally engages in tons of heresy in the name of the Crusade, though the creation of the Avatar implies that Menoth is okay with it (unless it's not actually Menoth who had them build it, which is my pet theory with absolutely no evidence except that I think it would be a cool twist). 50-60 years ago every single noble Protectorate warcaster would have been burned at the stake by the scrutators.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jun 21, 2018 13:58:57 GMT
Oh, you're very likely correct. The Protectorate totally engages in tons of heresy in the name of the Crusade, though the creation of the Avatar implies that Menoth is okay with it (unless it's not actually Menoth who had them build it, which is my pet theory with absolutely no evidence except that I think it would be a cool twist). 50-60 years ago every single nobile Protectorate warcaster would have been burned at the stake by the scrutators. Maybe there's actually a dude inside the Avatar, Karchev style?
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jun 21, 2018 14:23:41 GMT
Oh, you're very likely correct. The Protectorate totally engages in tons of heresy in the name of the Crusade, though the creation of the Avatar implies that Menoth is okay with it (unless it's not actually Menoth who had them build it, which is my pet theory with absolutely no evidence except that I think it would be a cool twist). 50-60 years ago every single nobile Protectorate warcaster would have been burned at the stake by the scrutators. Maybe there's actually a dude inside the Avatar, Karchev style? They bound the souls of several Vassals to it, that are giving it focus? That would also explain why it never bonds to a warcaster, because if someone did, they'd find out
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Post by macdaddy on Jun 22, 2018 12:30:44 GMT
my most hated enemy to lose to would probably be circle and oddly enough CoC. something about CoC just rubs me wrong and i don't enjoy playing against them and i haven't ever put my finger on it. Circle i know exactly why. its a combination of them aiming to be as un-interactive as possible (see: bradigus, Krueger2, wurmwood) while simultaneously you can't ever discuss things with kreuger players. Their response, regardless of what happens on a table during a game is usually some combination of "krueger and the wolds TK+gallows until they win" in perfect dojoland where kreuger is undefeatable least bitter - hmm, probably cygnar or skorne. Reasons being are these are two factions i spent time playing so i have a soft spot for them I find circle to be pretty interactive outside of Wurmwood. I also typically give my opponents exact numbers with my threat ranges because being vague is fishing for a gotcha and is a dick move. If you ask an opponent: How far does this thing threat? And his response is: Well it’s Spd 5.... Or just being vague in general you should ask more specefic questions and if he continues to be vague he’s being a dick and there’s are better players to play against. Sorry you had a bad experience with circle :/ I think it’s less because the faction sucks and more because the players behind them are messing it up
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Jun 22, 2018 12:34:39 GMT
All of them! RAAAAAAGE!!!
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