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Post by dickovdk on Jun 15, 2018 12:34:52 GMT
Hi everyone
I am like many a sucker for models and therefore bought a collection of Menoth not long ago. I have NOT played Menoth ever so I have no idea what to focus on but thats kinda beside the point of this threat.
I searched for a list of models a menoth need in their arsenal but did not find one.
Therefore the question here - what is Must have, Should have, would like and collection only models in Menoth Personally from reading mostly the facebook group I feel Menoth is actually quite wide in the selection of useful models, at least compared to my other two factions (Trolls & Circle)
So anyone up for at brief guide?
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Post by macdaddy on Jun 15, 2018 12:40:34 GMT
Well this all depends on your play preferences. It also depends on your current existing collection. Could you post what you currently have?
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Post by bskhacker on Jun 15, 2018 13:13:26 GMT
One must have is definitely The Choir of Menoth. You will have at least a min in almost every list. A second unit is nice but not necessary only good in a list with massive amounts of 'jacks.
The Vassal of Menoth,Vassal Mechanik, and Wracks are great cheep support solos that can be taken in every theme list. They make great point fillers and have a low MSRP so you'll get your money's worth.
One other unit I can strongly recommend is the Idrian Skirmishes and their CA. You can take one unit in every theme thanks to the mec rule and you can take two in Faithful Masses.
From there it depends on what theme you want to play.
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Post by gargs454 on Jun 15, 2018 14:34:29 GMT
As others have stated, a lot will depend on what you have and what themes appeal to you. That said, pretty much every unit or solo has its place, though some obviously perform better than others. I would start by looking at your current models, then picking a theme, then following that up with purchases to fill out that theme first. There are some weaker casters of course and in relation to that, Eye of Truth, which is an excellent jack, is probably easily avoided because he can only be taken with Malekus in themes and Malekus is pretty subpar at the moment.
All that said, bskhacker has a pretty good starting point. I would assume you already have at least one full unit of choir if you purchased a bunch of models from someone as that is pretty much the first purchase for any new Protectorate player.
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Post by spideredd on Jun 15, 2018 14:44:46 GMT
In terms of Casters, I'd suggest; Severius1, because he'll teach you how to keep your caster safe. Kreoss1, because he'll teach you how to bully with your caster. Durst1 because he's very durable and forgiving. I'm sure that some will have other suggestions too, but these ones are fairly simple to use and will help you to get some wins and get your confidence up.
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Choco
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Post by Choco on Jun 15, 2018 16:45:12 GMT
If play style or theme are not as important for future purchases, I would take a look at the entire model range and look for the ones that visually appeal to you. I love the Champion of the Order of the Wall model and the only theme he's currently available in is Faithful Masses, so I built a couple lists and tailored my purchases in that direction. Maybe you love the Cinerators and Bastions (don't play them until their CID update drops in Warroom), they are only available in Exemplar Interdiction. By focusing on a theme or models that look cool, it can help you with focusing your purchases.
Otherwise, the posts above cover probably the models you will get the most use out of. On the jack side of things, the character jacks for each caster are excellent if you want to play that caster. The Guardian/Indictor kit is excellent, especially once the latest CID drops as the Indictor is getting a point drop. The Castigator/Reckoner/Sanctifier kit is also excellent with some great utility from each jack. The Crusader is probably the stand out from the last kit as it is a cheap, efficient beater, no frills attached; the Templar has game too. As for the lights, the Dervish is by far our most stand out jack. The Repenter/Redeemer/Vigilant/Devout all have excellent reasons to take them and support in different ways. The Revenger is a hit or miss depending on the player and Purifier is currently outshined by the Dervish, we will see what happens when the CID drops.
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Post by doopsie on Jun 15, 2018 17:43:17 GMT
If play style or theme are not as important for future purchases, I would take a look at the entire model range and look for the ones that visually appeal to you. I love the Champion of the Order of the Wall model and the only theme he's currently available in is Faithful Masses, so I built a couple lists and tailored my purchases in that direction. Maybe you love the Cinerators and Bastions (don't play them until their CID update drops in Warroom), they are only available in Exemplar Interdiction. By focusing on a theme or models that look cool, it can help you with focusing your purchases. Otherwise, the posts above cover probably the models you will get the most use out of. On the jack side of things, the character jacks for each caster are excellent if you want to play that caster. The Guardian/Indictor kit is excellent, especially once the latest CID drops as the Indictor is getting a point drop. The Castigator/Reckoner/Sanctifier kit is also excellent with some great utility from each jack. The Crusader is probably the stand out from the last kit as it is a cheap, efficient beater, no frills attached; the Templar has game too. As for the lights, the Dervish is by far our most stand out jack. The Repenter/Redeemer/Vigilant/Devout all have excellent reasons to take them and support in different ways. The Revenger is a hit or miss depending on the player and Purifier is currently outshined by the Dervish, we will see what happens when the CID drops. I feel really bad about the fact I always, ALWAYS forget about the Revenger, despite it being a nice arc node that can either disengage itself or be really hard to kill with the repulsor shield (will only take 2 hits max from any melee threat, unless/until the shield breaks).
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Choco
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Post by Choco on Jun 15, 2018 17:48:36 GMT
If play style or theme are not as important for future purchases, I would take a look at the entire model range and look for the ones that visually appeal to you. I love the Champion of the Order of the Wall model and the only theme he's currently available in is Faithful Masses, so I built a couple lists and tailored my purchases in that direction. Maybe you love the Cinerators and Bastions (don't play them until their CID update drops in Warroom), they are only available in Exemplar Interdiction. By focusing on a theme or models that look cool, it can help you with focusing your purchases. Otherwise, the posts above cover probably the models you will get the most use out of. On the jack side of things, the character jacks for each caster are excellent if you want to play that caster. The Guardian/Indictor kit is excellent, especially once the latest CID drops as the Indictor is getting a point drop. The Castigator/Reckoner/Sanctifier kit is also excellent with some great utility from each jack. The Crusader is probably the stand out from the last kit as it is a cheap, efficient beater, no frills attached; the Templar has game too. As for the lights, the Dervish is by far our most stand out jack. The Repenter/Redeemer/Vigilant/Devout all have excellent reasons to take them and support in different ways. The Revenger is a hit or miss depending on the player and Purifier is currently outshined by the Dervish, we will see what happens when the CID drops. I feel really bad about the fact I always, ALWAYS forget about the Revenger, despite it being a nice arc node that can either disengage itself or be really hard to kill with the repulsor shield (will only take 2 hits max from any melee threat, unless/until the shield breaks). Or they are sturdy (immune to pushes).
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Post by gargs454 on Jun 15, 2018 18:24:54 GMT
I think the revenger is easy to forget because we usually assume that everyone already has one (or more) as they've been in the starter kits for so long (I wasn't around in Mk I to know if they were in them then as well). And lets face it, you are unlikely to need more than one.
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Post by doopsie on Jun 15, 2018 19:05:34 GMT
I feel really bad about the fact I always, ALWAYS forget about the Revenger, despite it being a nice arc node that can either disengage itself or be really hard to kill with the repulsor shield (will only take 2 hits max from any melee threat, unless/until the shield breaks). Or they are sturdy (immune to pushes). Sure, but that's not exactly common. Not saying it's not valid, but every special rule has a counter, so I don't really consider the existence of sturdy to be a significant knock against the Revenger.
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Choco
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Post by Choco on Jun 15, 2018 19:36:54 GMT
I think the revenger is easy to forget because we usually assume that everyone already has one (or more) as they've been in the starter kits for so long (I wasn't around in Mk I to know if they were in them then as well). And lets face it, you are unlikely to need more than one. Kreoss, Revenger, Repenter, Crusader. The boxes never changed until MKIII.
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Post by gargs454 on Jun 15, 2018 21:06:11 GMT
Thanks Choco, that's what I assumed but wasn't sure. Typically when I assume, if I state it, its wrong, if I keep silent, its right.
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Post by dickovdk on Jun 15, 2018 21:15:12 GMT
Thanks for the comments. While I am well aware that warmahordes have become bunch of mini factions within each faction and therefore buying into "that" wanted theme is smart but I was after, was along the line of this or that solo/unit/jack sees a Lot of play time or more important this model do not at all. Coming from circle and trolls there at alot of semi crap in those factions (and I own them all) bit I would rather avoid that with menoth
Here is what I got cheap (approx USD 210) Feora, Priestess of the Flame Feora, Protector of the Flame The Harbinger of Menoth Grand Scrutator Severius High Exemplar Kreoss High Exemplar Kreoss High Exemplar Kreoss Intercessor Kreoss Hierophant Blessing of Vengeance Blessing of Vengeance Castigator Crusader Crusader Devout Guardian Judicator Reckoner Redeemer Redeemer Repenter Repenter Revenger Sanctifier Vanquisher Avatar of Menoth The Covenant of Menoth Exemplar Bastion Seneschal High Paladin Dartan Vilmon Nicia, Tear of Vengeance Paladin of the Order of the Wall Paladin of the Order of the Wall Paladin of the Order of the Wall Reclaimer Gatekeeper Vassal Mechanik Vassal of Menoth Vassal of Menoth Wrack Wrack Wrack Choir of Menoth Daughters of the Flame Deliverer Skyhammers Deliverer Skyhammers (min) Exemplar Bastions Exemplar Cinerators Exemplar Errants Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard Exemplar Vengers Flameguard Cleansers Flameguard Cleanser Officer Holy Zealots (min) Holy Zealots (min) Monolith Bearer Knights Exemplar Temple Flameguard (min) Temple Flameguard Officer & Standard Temple Flameguard Temple Flameguard Officer & Standard Visgoth Juviah Rhoven & Honor Guard
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Post by gargs454 on Jun 15, 2018 21:27:49 GMT
Based on that list, you have most of the bases covered already. Avatar doesn't see a whole lot of play mainly because its just outclassed by other cheaper, options. I might pick up another of each of the Heavy Jack kits as you have very useful jacks in each of the kits and would try to magnetize them. The only one of the lot that is really bad (imho) is the Vanquisher and that's mainly because its just too expensive. You actually have a decent base for the Guardians theme and as such I would probably pick up both Pyrrhus and Nicia to supplement that. The Knight Exemplar Officer is also pretty handy with the KE's and should probably be looked at. Gravus would be good for running with the Exemplars as well. Finally, for your Faithful Masses list, the Allegiant of the Order of the Fist is just hilariously fun and hard to remove. Pair one or two with Harby and your opponent can really have fits. Those would probably be what I start out looking for, but that is just me.
Dervishes are great, but are better in bunches, so you might not want to be dropping the coin for that many. Same thing with Amon, he's pretty good in the Jack Theme, but that theme is run best (usually) with a lot of Crusaders and Dervishes, which means a lot of coin at the moment. To be honest, I don't personally think we have many duds in Protectorate outside of a few casters and the Bastions/Cinerators (which will be getting buffed whenever the CID changes go live).
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Post by chuggyg on Jun 16, 2018 12:32:29 GMT
Pick up Thyra
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