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Post by gedditoffme on Jun 9, 2018 20:30:01 GMT
Hello all,
Part time (non dwarf) merc player who has seen Ossrum sweeping through tournaments recently. Just wondering as an opponent, how do we beat that guy? The horde of high Arm, high speed dwarfs on feat turn looks horrifying, as does the potential to grind down our bulldoze my army out of scenario, and the risk of a powerful attack assassination run...
So what does an Ossrum player dislike seeing across the table? What will make him lose or drop the other list, and why?
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Post by fallenexile on Jun 9, 2018 21:44:25 GMT
Incorp and high Def are definitely weaknesses. Heavy recursion too, as Ossrum doesn't have any RFP in his personal kit. Also, if you're fast enough to lodge yourself more than 2" into a control zone, it becomes difficult to just Bulldoze you off the point.
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mazog
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Post by mazog on Jun 9, 2018 22:35:43 GMT
But they could Bulldoze you with more than one model and get you out. 2-3 gun bunnies will suffice to move a model clear out the side of a rectangle zone.
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Post by gedditoffme on Jun 10, 2018 3:59:51 GMT
2 posts in and I'm already getting that sinking feeling: anything that appears to be a good counter doesn't actually work  Could be wrong, but it also feels a little like multiple Bulldozes can prevent an opponent from even playing a game against Ossrum |
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Post by shoe on Jun 10, 2018 4:11:58 GMT
Incorp and high Def are definitely weaknesses. Heavy recursion too, as Ossrum doesn't have any RFP in his personal kit. Also, if you're fast enough to lodge yourself more than 2" into a control zone, it becomes difficult to just Bulldoze you off the point. incorp is a weakness? only if ur a screwy dorf player using the hammer stork theme. teh op is asking how to beat ossrum players who know what they are doing. the guys who won captaincon, seattle open and who came in second at kingdom con played irregulars like thoughtful, competitively-minded fellows who know aiyana and holt takes care of that weakness and makes the bunnies shoot at pow 14. and hi def is a problem? goodness gracious... bunniers are rolling 3 dice, drillers have bloody sustained attack and u should have gorman in there. ossrum can snipe him hi mr. ffme. i palayed ossrum 4 drillers, 4 gunners, 2 blasters, 2 eliminators, 1 artillery, aiyana and holt, anastasia, gorman, kell, eiryss1 and ragman 3 times this week. first i womped cygnar twice with it. just womped them. then had me a game against borka2. that ossrum list cannot beat him. i won by tricking the troll player on spread teh net and it won't ever happen again. oh man was i getting womped... he probably cannot beat doomy3 either ossrum will also struggle into very high ARM like balderp2. he is probably disadvantaged against lich3 9 slayers. iron mother double TEP is bad news unless he is built to beat it. lost big to iron mom at the kingdom con finals because he had hammer dorfs that die to TEP sprays. my list is built to beat her, theoretically. the hammar dorf build might be able to beat borka2 tho... |
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Post by gedditoffme on Jun 10, 2018 10:23:29 GMT
Incorp and high Def are definitely weaknesses. Heavy recursion too, as Ossrum doesn't have any RFP in his personal kit. Also, if you're fast enough to lodge yourself more than 2" into a control zone, it becomes difficult to just Bulldoze you off the point. incorp is a weakness? only if ur a screwy dorf player using the hammer stork theme. teh op is asking how to beat ossrum players who know what they are doing. the guys who won captaincon, seattle open and who came in second at kingdom con played irregulars like thoughtful, competitively-minded fellows who know aiyana and holt takes care of that weakness and makes the bunnies shoot at pow 14. and hi def is a problem? goodness gracious... bunniers are rolling 3 dice, drillers have bloody sustained attack and u should have gorman in there. ossrum can snipe him hi mr. ffme. i palayed ossrum 4 drillers, 4 gunners, 2 blasters, 2 eliminators, 1 artillery, aiyana and holt, anastasia, gorman, kell, eiryss1 and ragman 3 times this week. first i womped cygnar twice with it. just womped them. then had me a game against borka2. that ossrum list cannot beat him. i won by tricking the troll player on spread teh net and it won't ever happen again. oh man was i getting womped... he probably cannot beat doomy3 either ossrum will also struggle into very high ARM like balderp2. he is probably disadvantaged against lich3 9 slayers. iron mother double TEP is bad news unless he is built to beat it. lost big to iron mom at the kingdom con finals because he had hammer dorfs that die to TEP sprays. my list is built to beat her, theoretically. the hammar dorf build might be able to beat borka2 tho... Thanks, that is very helpful. Was thinking of building grymkin dreamer, and imagine that could do ok at least with a more resilient heavy brick. |
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Post by shoe on Jun 10, 2018 16:15:41 GMT
Possibly ole witch trey depending on the build
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Post by welshhoppo on Jun 11, 2018 6:55:21 GMT
Ossys actually weakness is assassination. He hasn't got the best stats in the world and he's pretty focus hungry so he never camps much.
The problem is actually getting to him to kill him, a good Ossrum player will never have him exposed.
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Post by Munindk on Jun 11, 2018 8:15:59 GMT
Ossrum isnt that worried about assasinations and his stats are decent at 14/17
With Bullet Dodger its 16/17 plus he can move if you miss. Add in the fact that he can draw line of sight through Rhulic models and there's really no reason to expose him and if you do, camp a little and he's usually fine.
I've lost him a couple of times in early JM games vs Khador, cause Kozlov will side step and punish any positioning errors. Against Menoth, Cygnar and Retribution I've lost a lot, but often with Ossrum as my last model.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Jun 11, 2018 9:58:04 GMT
Listened to part of the new 'Tactical Tips' podcast this morning, had a Polish geezer called Marcin Mycek on talking about Mercs (He has just won the EU masters), he talks a fair bit about Ossrum.
The TLDR version is that Ossrum Hammer Strike asks a question, but that he prefers Ossrum Irregulars as you can bring answers
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Post by psyllus on Jun 11, 2018 13:23:31 GMT
Things I don't want to see across the table with Ossrum:
- Massed KD/Stationary/Disruption (kills my focus efficiency)
Things I don't like to see across the table with Ossrum:
- Massed armor piercing (because not every turn can be feat turn)
- Lots of incorporeal+stealth models (difficult to remove more than 1-2 per turn)
- Sturdy models (because it's my zone)
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Post by welshhoppo on Jun 11, 2018 16:18:16 GMT
Ossrum isnt that worried about assasinations and his stats are decent at 14/17 With Bullet Dodger its 16/17 plus he can move if you miss. Add in the fact that he can draw line of sight through Rhulic models and there's really no reason to expose him and if you do, camp a little and he's usually fine. I've lost him a couple of times in early JM games vs Khador, cause Kozlov will side step and punish any positioning errors. Against Menoth, Cygnar and Retribution I've lost a lot, but often with Ossrum as my last model. I did say it was hard to get to him. If he's upkeeping bullet dodger and putting out focus and bullzone he's running dangerously low. |
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Post by Munindk on Jun 12, 2018 10:18:46 GMT
True, I rarely camp more than 1 focus with Ossrum, although in Irregulars Sylys can help with that.
I think Backlash is probably my biggest fear as an Ossrum player. Yes armour 18 is decent on the bunnies but enough pings and Ossrum is gone.
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Post by Xintas on Jun 12, 2018 13:41:22 GMT
I have a similar list (more bunnies fewer heavies) and I absolutely hate playing into a heavy arm skew like Karchev. It's not that I can't win, it's just no fun and it takes forever and is super grindy. With more heavies, that less of a problem though.
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Post by gmonkey on Jun 14, 2018 20:50:15 GMT
If your Ossrum list is struggling into armor, add more Forge Guard along with the battle toilet. My friend always wrecks the world with hammer dwarves.
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