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Post by davycannonhound on May 22, 2018 15:45:46 GMT
So, lately I’ve been seeing a lot pf Minions stuff in Legion lists. And honestly the combos are really cool. However. I don’t like the idea of Legion working with Minions. It just doesn’t seem right. Were I playing literally any other faction I wouldn’t care. But, in this case, it kinda matters to me. I’m a big lore person, so thats probably partially why.
My question is, am I hurting myself by refusing to take Minions, or am I okay working with just what Legion has to offer? I know PP has endeavored to make Minions and Mercenaries more viable since MK2, and I’m concerned that my obstinance over lore is going to have me “crippled”, so to speak, whenever I finally decide to enter the competitive scene.
If I have already made a thread liks this, I apologize. I don’t think I have, but.
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on May 22, 2018 16:21:01 GMT
I ones asked similar questions, why thags would allow rorsh and brine to tag along. I wanted him to because I just love those models. The answer a friend gave me was "'bacon?', everybody loves bacon. Even Thags". Ever since I'v not had problems running farrow with my legion  I only really consider minions when Im looking for something very specific, like hog wild and repo on briggands to run with eThags, or grievous wounds on bonegrinders to accompany nephilim soldiers. Many of our buffs are faction only though, and we usually loose out on freebees when running them. So outside those niche roles we just can't fill ourselves I wouldn't look at minions. |
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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 22, 2018 17:07:14 GMT
I'm a bit of a purist as well. But only for aesthetic reasons. I feel the same way; Like Circle just works with taking pigs/gators and (in my head) nothing is ruined aesthetically.
In terms of "loosing" things. I would say no. You could gain a little bit here or there but the Minion options we have do not really turn the tides of war. I really like the Spirit Cauldron. Gobers and mistspeakers can always be a cheap-ish addition to a list. Feralgeists also work as really cheap flag scoring models.
I have a full Gator army besides my Legion and very few things get used. Farrow slaughter housers can be a way of sneaking weapon masters into Ravens or Oracles. Wrong eye is terribly expensive but again can sneak into Ravens for a little more reliable heavy hitter. Things like that.
But nothing screams "you have to take this or you loose".
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Post by snotling on May 22, 2018 17:29:00 GMT
Just paint them in your usual colours, if need be ad some horns. Blight doesn't discriminate.
I wouldn't want to loose access to the Valks or the mist speaker...
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Post by jediguru on May 22, 2018 19:42:54 GMT
I've never really liked including them from an aesthetics standpoint. However, there are minions options that do things we can't get anywhere else so I end up taking them anyways.
Wrongeye and Snapjaw provide an excellent package with Starcrossed
Gobber Chef I use in Cotd since it's light on fury management
Swamp Gobber's clouds are great for 2 points and they can be a scoring unit
Mist Speaker is useful in cotd since we can't take a Naga
Valks give our faction a lot more game into gun lines
Gremlin swarms are the best scenario denial piece/point we have that can be taken in any theme
Are they necessary? No, not in every list but you'd be handicapping yourself if you're not considering them in the lists that could benefit from their inclusion.
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Post by jojobrunnix on May 22, 2018 22:15:35 GMT
Im with snotling on this one. Right now valks and mistspeakers are very good pieces and i wouldnt want to not play them.
Its not that hard to mod the models a bit to give them a bit of a legion/ blighted theme. Add some horns. Tentacles etc. Everblight corupted the nyss and ogrun. Why would he stop there?
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Post by davycannonhound on May 23, 2018 3:09:47 GMT
I've never really liked including them from an aesthetics standpoint. However, there are minions options that do things we can't get anywhere else so I end up taking them anyways. Wrongeye and Snapjaw provide an excellent package with Starcrossed Gobber Chef I use in Cotd since it's light on fury management Swamp Gobber's clouds are great for 2 points and they can be a scoring unit Mist Speaker is useful in cotd since we can't take a Naga Valks give our faction a lot more game into gun lines Gremlin swarms are the best scenario denial piece/point we have that can be taken in any theme Are they necessary? No, not in every list but you'd be handicapping yourself if you're not considering them in the lists that could benefit from their inclusion. See, this is frustrating for me. I got into Legion solely for Aesthetics. Not for any other reason. Minions clashes with that heavily. There's some cool synergies, but I just can't bring myself to break away from Legion's awesomeness and mire it with some other shoddy model. |
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Post by davycannonhound on May 23, 2018 3:10:33 GMT
Im with snotling on this one. Right now valks and mistspeakers are very good pieces and i wouldnt want to not play them. Its not that hard to mod the models a bit to give them a bit of a legion/ blighted theme. Add some horns. Tentacles etc. Everblight corupted the nyss and ogrun. Why would he stop there? See that's my logic so I'm waiting for official blighted models to come out  |
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Post by newsun on May 26, 2018 4:57:41 GMT
Blighted looking alternates would be a cool release, maybe each faction could get a themed minion alternate sculpt.
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Post by Lanz on May 27, 2018 5:17:39 GMT
My question is, am I hurting myself by refusing to take Minions, or am I okay working with just what Legion has to offer? I know PP has endeavored to make Minions and Mercenaries more viable since MK2, and I’m concerned that my obstinance over lore is going to have me “crippled”, so to speak, whenever I finally decide to enter the competitive scene. Honestly, I think people just plain forget minions are an option so often that it's impossible to say we're crippled by not using them. There's a few minion options that are very handy to have as they are either just powerful, or synergize well, or offer tools we lack (jediguru covered most of it. I'd add Farrow Brigands, and Eilish to his list), but none of them are strictly essential in a list. Sometimes the minions might allow for extremely specific builds to be viable, like the gobber chef giving you good fury management in a list that otherwise may lack strong fury management. Sometimes they are good for just broadening options, like having Farrow Brigands as an option for Oracles if you want a 'screen' unit that's versatile but a bit sturdier than hex hunters. Sometimes they are just great for just filling points while being very useful for the points, like the Billows Crew, or a Feralgeist. I'd say that the more you deviate from 'conventional' legion lists, the more you might consider minions to either fill gaps or open possibilities. But for the usual legion lists playing towards a legion style, you shouldn't strictly need them. |
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Post by snotling on May 27, 2018 9:22:56 GMT
Every list, that is supposed to work into gunlines, ist better with farrow valkyries.
Lylyth3 for example, without them a couple of magic weapons and she is really gard to drop. With valks, anything short of half a dozend magical shots with decent pow is quite managable.
Everything else, even the mist speaker is optional in my oppinion.
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