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Post by aniron on May 21, 2018 8:28:30 GMT
Based on the original Farrow Brigand Warlord.  Hmm, I thought this one was "June's mini"?  |
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Post by deathbymelancholy on May 21, 2018 11:46:44 GMT
NOICE! Time to buy some brigands!
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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 21, 2018 11:51:58 GMT
NOICE! Time to buy some brigands! My Sentiments exactly. Never quite thought I needed them... But now I think I do |
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Post by macdaddy on May 21, 2018 14:15:17 GMT
Oh look...apparently all you need to do to call a model exclusive a PP is attach boobs and some feminine angles to it.
For goodness sake can they at least try?
I like the warlord a lot, I just am so tired of the laziness from the creative department here
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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 21, 2018 16:07:19 GMT
Oh look...apparently all you need to do to call a model exclusive a PP is attach boobs and some feminine angles to it. For goodness sake can they at least try? I like the warlord a lot, I just am so tired of the laziness from the creative department here It's kind of been a trend. It's unfortunate that the team seems to shows this is their extent of their capability. We don't have a way of actually slapping them in the face for being pigs. Other than just not buying them. Problem is there needs to be nearly a 100% opt out by the community to get the point across. But I did really like the look of the Valkyries. This model uses the same design. So I would like to pick one up. |
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Post by macdaddy on May 21, 2018 16:18:45 GMT
Oh look...apparently all you need to do to call a model exclusive a PP is attach boobs and some feminine angles to it. For goodness sake can they at least try? I like the warlord a lot, I just am so tired of the laziness from the creative department here It's kind of been a trend. It's unfortunate that the team seems to shows this is their extent of their capability. We don't have a way of actually slapping them in the face for being pigs. Other than just not buying them. Problem is there needs to be nearly a 100% opt out by the community to get the point across. But I did really like the look of the Valkyries. This model uses the same design. So I would like to pick one up. I could honestly care less if they advertised this as "the pinup crate" but they advertised it as if you were going to get cool exclusive sculpts with unique flair and creativity. Its just disappointing and the design feels really half-anus'ed |
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Post by patrick71 on May 21, 2018 16:19:35 GMT
Calling PP pigs? There isn’t a sarcastic smiley enough sarcastic to add to my post.
I applaud them for not taking the PC bullcrap approach. Yeah, I know, I hurt your feelings.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 21, 2018 16:47:22 GMT
Ashlynn was an interesting effect even if poorly posed. The feral geist was a goofy twist for the holiday. Alten is just weird...
I would say that the majority of them have been in poor taste. It's just like the warforge (if I recall correctly) line where they just takes tons of warhammer stuff and turn it into all nearly naked women.
But, as has been made clear, having respect to not turn everything into a sexual object is too much to ask.
"It is better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied" - John Mills
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Post by macdaddy on May 21, 2018 16:55:04 GMT
Ashlynn was an interesting effect even if poorly posed. The feral geist was a goofy twist for the holiday. Alten is just weird... I would say that the majority of them have been in poor taste. It's just like the warforge (if I recall correctly) line where they just takes tons of warhammer stuff and turn it into all nearly naked women. But, as has been made clear, having respect to not turn everything into a sexual object is too much to ask. "It is better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied" - John Mills well...I don't think they are being pigs or anything. You want miniatures to be attractive and appealing, and pin ups, by their very nature, are typically have tight clothing, or a lack there-of. I don't think they have been egregious in any way with that in this series. Particularly not on a scale like some other companies I have had the displeasure of discovering while looking for alternative warhammer fantasy minis. *shudders* I think calling them pigs is a tad far honestly. Nothing they have released in this series has been overly offensive. I just want them to make something...unique, or creative, or....just something. |
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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 21, 2018 17:09:11 GMT
it may be harsh but they are clearly stuck on one train of thought when it comes to female character design. Add to that the consistent gender swapping of male characters to female (not the other way around) and the swap from non-human to human female.
When the singular design trend is "add boobs" as you said, I can't think very highly of them. I am clearly more harsh in my judgement. But the track record is pretty telling.
And yes, from a female perspective my wife hates a majority of the model designs because nearly all of them are wearing little clothing and the setting's equivalent of the most powerful push-up bra.
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Post by deathbymelancholy on May 21, 2018 19:03:42 GMT
it may be harsh but they are clearly stuck on one train of thought when it comes to female character design. Add to that the consistent gender swapping of male characters to female (not the other way around) and the swap from non-human to human female. When the singular design trend is "add boobs" as you said, I can't think very highly of them. I am clearly more harsh in my judgement. But the track record is pretty telling. And yes, from a female perspective my wife hates a majority of the model designs because nearly all of them are wearing little clothing and the setting's equivalent of the most powerful push-up bra. But like, none of that is factual. Mrs Walls and Victoria Pendrake were both swaps the other way, with Ms Walls in the exact same outfit even. Totem Huntress totally reminds me of a badass Grace Jones. I for one liked Alten, and am building lists specifically to play him. My wife's opinion, and you're just talking opinions now, which is why it isn't factual, is that the female models by and large, although exaggerated, aren't offensive. The warcasters are in full plate, the druids are in robes and leathers, and her response to Victoria Pendrake was "it's what Buffy would be if she survives to old age". Is Cryx sexualized, probably, but it's inherent to their "schtick". There are small girls, black women, warcasters, mercenary captains, and unit leaders all over this game. "Model has bewbs!!" Well no crap, everything gets exaggerated on minis so you can ID them from 3 feet away. I've yet to receive a model in this batch of minicrate that I wouldn't have played in their respective factions. |
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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 21, 2018 19:20:09 GMT
Walls, Pendrake, and totem hunter were swaps from male characters to female... You're only supporting my statement. It is factually accurate.
It is only my opinion whether I want to positively or negatively react to PP's course of action.
You're welcome to enjoy the models. I'm not condemning people for buying them. I'm condemning the Manufacture and mister "PC bull crap, I hurt your feelings har har har"
It's not isolated to Cryx. Legion is Thagrosh's harem. Bethayne barely even has more than ribbons strapped around her. Lylyth has armor everywhere but on her chest. Beast mistress is the same way.
New releases that are not mini-crate - Ice witches 2 out of three models are displaying ridiculous cleavage that is not physically possible in a natural human being. It's egregious.
Yes, there are models that are perfectly clothed. Zerkhova 1 and 2. Sorscha all 3. Vayl 1 and 2. Mortenebra. Kara Sloan.
PP is capable of making female models that are not overly sexualized. But these are older standard issue models.
The specific "special edition" models are clearly sexualized. Blighted Bather for heavens sake! The spawning vessel is a pot for collecting gruesome remains of anything slaughtered on the battlefield. Lets put a naked elf in it!
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Post by deathbymelancholy on May 21, 2018 19:33:19 GMT
Walls, Pendrake, and totem hunter were swaps from male characters to female... You're only supporting my statement. It is factually accurate. Apologies for that part, not sure why I totally dyslexied the way you wrote that. You are correct on that. I play Trolls and Ret, and you're not really convincing me. I'll give you Cryx, as I said, but I've never seen a Legion model that made me think "well that's a bridge too far". I couldn't pick Bethayne out of a lineup of Bethaynes to be honest though, no idea what it looks like. I still feel that people get stuck on exaggeration of figure. It's the Barbie is an unreal expectation but somehow He-Man isn't argument. Miniatures are exaggerated, they have to be or they'll just become mono-mud on the table. I have to be able to see that THAT is the widowmaker leader, or THAT, is whomever. But this is the newest pp miniature, and it's a pig woman, that looks like their other pigwomen, and is in full armour. How is she sexualized exactly, I mean honestly they could have done 6 breasts and been more anatomically correct, and they didn't do that. This company takes an awful lot of undeserved crap when they show all the time that they are trying to be "better" well still putting out a product that will sell. |
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Post by gobber on May 21, 2018 19:38:57 GMT
I'm biased as a minion player, but this (along with ashlynn) is definitely one of my favorite minicrates; sure it's another genderswap but unlike the godawful gorman variety, she seems intended to signal power rather than sexiness. There absolutely are female farrow warlords in the fluff as well. Including this brigand war valk, every female farrow in the game is way bigger than the males, has two attacks, and hit points... With the recent releases, farrow society has started seeming vaguely matriarchical which is a neat development and makes sense given their religion. I'd love to see something like a war priestess of the great sow down the road. Also deathbymelancholy are there black women other than Colbie and the trencher engineer leader? In any case it's a bit short of all over this game, but there has been a really noticeable improvement in their representation of late. |
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Post by W0lfBane on May 21, 2018 19:46:20 GMT
Honestly I think I prefer these last 2-3 models out of the entire line.
I feel like war machine despite its best effort needs more female representation in its models.
These last 2-3 are not overly sexualized and fit the theme of the original model mostly. They replace non-character models so they help differentiate when you field multiple sets of that model. I dislike the gender bend characters cause those really mess with the concept of the world of IK. But these. I like these. Like nothing stops there from being female brigands and gun mages. These ones feel like they fit in the universe and people that have then will have more interesting looking armies because of it. And like their pin up value is not worse than models that already exist in the game.
I prefer this direction infinitely better than the alternate character models that don't fit the game asthetic and are silly alternate costumes or gender bend pin ups. Solid A for this assignment pp
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