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Post by onijet01 on May 19, 2018 12:07:57 GMT
Okay to the point. I am needing help with a Rhyas, Sigil of Everblight list to be paired with this...
Thagrosh, Prophet of Everblight (+28wb) In "Primal Terror"
Ammok the Truthbearer (4pts- attached) Carnivean (18wb- battlegroup) Naga Nightlurker (8wb- battlegroup) Typhon (2wb/18pts- battlegroup)
Warmonger War Chief (5pts) Warmonger War Chief (5pts)
Blighted Ogrun Warspears 5 (15pts) Warspear Chief (5pts- attached) Blighted Ogrum Warspears 3 (9pts) Warspear Chief (5pts- attached) Blighted Ogrun Warmongers 3 (8pts) Gorag Rotteneye (free- attached) Hellmouth (free)
Total list points 74/75
Now to get into Rhyas' Sigil of Everblight. I have always loved her look and rules. I know she is not a hyper compeditive Warlock, but i still want to try and make a list that allows her unique abilities to shine. I have played her in a high infantry consintration list in the "Ravens of War" theme before to a few assassination wins.
The list used a large amount of Grotesque infantry models and Strider Scouts to make use of ambush. Dash was used on the main force of G.Banshies and 1 G.Raiders unit to press into the scenerio fast and tie up my opponent.
But her battlegroup of Zuriel and a few Teraphs lacks a large punch.
So being a caster who can not increase damage, is focus 5. That brings a worrior speed buff, a feat that generates attacks and placement abilites, and can long leash a warbeast giving it her Mat and Rat, what would be a good list pairing for her army to Thagrosh 1.
FYI: Thangrosh is my main list as it hits hard enough and the big dragonspawn brings built in buffs. I wanted a list that could compete using speed and focusing on thagrosh 1s weaknesess
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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 19, 2018 17:52:03 GMT
Thagrosh 1 is normal the heavy hitter and drops well enough into other battle group heavy armies. You've also got more than enough models to never really fail in a scenario presence. So to me it looks like you would want a good anti-infantry spread with some focus on magical weapons. Or, in my tastes, a good ranged damage list. However Rhyas doesn't run the later all too well.
I'm sure people will say staples are Seraph, protector, and Naga. Which I would not disagree on. But that's a very large chunk of points.
I've run Rhyas out of theme to decent success with Proteus. I'm not so much trying to get an assassination with Rhyas. If you can just get to a target within about 5.5" of their caster under feat turn Proteus can charge with a claw attach, port, take his swing with the drag, and ta-da! One specially delivered caster.
Now, I swear in M2 that wasn't possible. There was some rule that said you had to use the first initial printed on the card for charge attack. But I cannot find anything like that in the MK3 primal. So if I'm wrong, please let me know (with page reference).
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Post by dogganmguest on May 20, 2018 11:04:40 GMT
The reason it wasn't possible in Mk2 (at least with Proteus) is that his tentacle dragging attack was a ranged attack, and he didn't have gunfighter a rule to let him use it after a melee attack - so you couldn't charge something, base jump, and then drag the caster closer. You could always choose which melee weapon you were charging with.
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Post by onijet01 on May 21, 2018 21:19:01 GMT
So as far as i can figure out i know Rhyas1 can make great use of the following partial list..
Rhyas 1. Zuriel.
Throne of Everblight. Throne of Everblight.
Thats part of a list done.
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Post by davycannonhound on May 21, 2018 21:54:05 GMT
So as far as i can figure out i know Rhyas1 can make great use of the following partial list.. Rhyas 1. Zuriel. Throne of Everblight. Throne of Everblight. Thats part of a list done. Seraph is required.
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Post by onijet01 on May 22, 2018 1:05:52 GMT
Why would that model be required?
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Post by dogganmguest on May 22, 2018 1:22:33 GMT
If you want Rhyas to bully an area of the table, 14" is better than 12" (ignoring dash). If you don't want to activate in an area effect (for example, Magnus2 catches you in the edge of his feat), slipstream can get you out of it. Slipstream can also fix LOS when hiding behind an obstruction or forest. Flare never hurts either.
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Post by onijet01 on May 22, 2018 5:45:50 GMT
If you want Rhyas to bully an area of the table, 14" is better than 12" (ignoring dash). If you don't want to activate in an area effect (for example, Magnus2 catches you in the edge of his feat), slipstream can get you out of it. Slipstream can also fix LOS when hiding behind an obstruction or forest. Flare never hurts either. Yah never read the beast as its look i just hate. It does allow her zuriel to keep up and her spell that ups the beasts mat is also good i guess on it
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on May 22, 2018 8:30:49 GMT
So as far as i can figure out i know Rhyas1 can make great use of the following partial list.. Rhyas 1. Zuriel. Throne of Everblight. Throne of Everblight. Thats part of a list done. I think you want a naga and/or BFS at that point. Running two thrones doesn't leave a lot of points to have dedicated armour cracking should you need that with this list.
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Post by snotling on May 22, 2018 9:55:38 GMT
I also think a seraph is mandatory.
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Post by jediguru on May 22, 2018 12:00:58 GMT
+1 to having a Seraph with Rhyas. IMO you need a pretty good reason to not take a Seraph in ANY list.
Everyone has already mentioned most of things you want with her. Thrones Seraph Proteus if out of theme Zuriel BFS
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Post by davycannonhound on May 22, 2018 15:49:02 GMT
Why would that model be required? Threat extension is huge for Rhyas. With Slipstream + Dash she threatens 15” + another 3” + a target model’s base size on the feat turn.
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Post by davycannonhound on May 22, 2018 15:50:17 GMT
If you want Rhyas to bully an area of the table, 14" is better than 12" (ignoring dash). If you don't want to activate in an area effect (for example, Magnus2 catches you in the edge of his feat), slipstream can get you out of it. Slipstream can also fix LOS when hiding behind an obstruction or forest. Flare never hurts either. Yah never read the beast as its look i just hate. It does allow her zuriel to keep up and her spell that ups the beasts mat is also good i guess on it Rapport is best for buffing things like a Carnivean, as well as using the Extended control range to slingshot a beast with your feat.
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Post by onijet01 on May 24, 2018 2:48:05 GMT
As another unit (sense im out of theme) would the ferrow bone grinders be a good addon. Yess they are slower than other units but with grevous wounds/ fury manipulation, and craft talisman i think they will work okay.
Eather them or a ferrow valkyrie unit for sone range control shinanigans
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Post by davycannonhound on May 24, 2018 5:42:27 GMT
As another unit (sense im out of theme) would the ferrow bone grinders be a good addon. Yess they are slower than other units but with grevous wounds/ fury manipulation, and craft talisman i think they will work okay. Eather them or a ferrow valkyrie unit for sone range control shinanigans Probably wouldn't be a bad idea, but I would look to using some Legion units. Swordsmen and Ogrun love Rhyas' feat. If you're out of theme, I suggest looking at Blightblades as well: ambush helps the enemy not spread out as much, which really helps Rhyas a lot.
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