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Post by tiberius on May 18, 2018 10:25:24 GMT
The new season of Champions is up and our roster is Iron Lich Asphyxious, Skarre 3, Goreshade the Bastard and Aiakos 2. I am surprised Aiakos is on there because he was on the last roster. Also, our themes are Black Industries, which would go well with almost any of these guys, and Scourge of the broken coast, which would go well with any of these guys.
I am leaning toward Skarre 3 Scourge of the broken coast and Goreshade the Bastard in Black Industries for a pairing. I will have to think about the lists.
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Post by boozy on May 18, 2018 11:20:14 GMT
Lich1 cranks Satyxis well too. Those girls are scary when they can reliably damage, and the same with Barathrum.
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Post by tiberius on May 18, 2018 11:46:13 GMT
Yeah, that -5 armor swing is really good and he gets a lot of work done personally too. I might make Skarre 3 the black industries caster and Asphyxious1 the satyxis caster, that does seem like a good call. Though I have been meaning to take Goreshade to a tournament at some point, there always just seems to be better or newer options.
Having shadowmancer on a big battle group sounds really good as well as a free upkeep of lamentation with the withershadow. I will need to look at his spell list and see if there was anything in it worth taking a spell slave for, probably not. Hex Blast and Bleed, interesting, bleed heals goreshade no matter who casts it. Hex blast and lamentations makes some casty groups have a bad day. Free banes outside of theme. Turning men into undead women, whats not to love?
But...13-14 attacks at -5 ARM target sounds really good too, oh, and they don't miss because of sustained attack.
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Post by tiberius on May 18, 2018 14:29:15 GMT
Okay, here are some first cuts for lists.
Skarre 3 - Black Industries
Skarre, Admiral of the Black Fleet - Leviathan - Reaper - Malice - Defiler - Shrike x 2 (free) - Corruptor Warwitch Siren Iron Lich Overseer - Seether Necrotech Cephalyx Mind Slaver and Drudges (max)
And paired with Iron Lich Asphyxious - Scourge of the broken Coast
Iron Lich Asphyxious - Barathrum - Cankerworm - Deathripper - Leviathan - Ripjaw Satyxis Raider Captain Severa Blacktide (free) Axiara Wraithblade (free) Misery Cage Satyxis Raiders + Sea Witch Satyxis Blood Witches + Hag Satyxis Gunslingers
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Post by Deller on May 19, 2018 13:47:14 GMT
We have nothing available in this format that deals with Krueger2/Wurmwood Bones of Oboros. I don’t see myself playing Champions anytime soon.
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Post by gedditoffme on May 19, 2018 20:59:05 GMT
We have nothing available in this format that deals with Krueger2/Wurmwood Bones of Oboros. I don’t see myself playing Champions anytime soon. Not too familiar with circle - what do those lists do and what do we need to counter them?
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Post by Deller on May 19, 2018 22:59:04 GMT
We have nothing available in this format that deals with Krueger2/Wurmwood Bones of Oboros. I don’t see myself playing Champions anytime soon. Not too familiar with circle - what do those lists do and what do we need to counter them? Wurmwood’s Feat makes everything a forest, as well as an upkeep to create an additional forest. He also has Hellmouth to wreck Infantry like our Satyxis and Stranglehold + Curse of Shadows to make our Warjacks sad. Since he’s got access to the Bones Theme he gets to bring a ton of Geomancy meaning he can throw out a ton of Strangleholds vs Black Industries. Into Wurmwood you need a ton of terrain mitigation to deal with all the forests that just randomly appear & into Bones of Oboros you need hard hitting Units that can get work done without Charging. We have no Ghost Walk Casters on our roster, nor can we play Dark Host, SFR, or Infernal Machines where our hard hitting Infantry is. He also has Eyeless Sight so Stealth/clouds won’t save you. Kreuger2 has Teleknisis to screw with a Jack’s ability to charge, Rebuke to shut down orders & a Unit’s ability to charge, a Feat that pushes everything 3” away and gives it -2 speed, Windstorm giving all guns -5 Range & the Kreuger player the ability to detrrmine deviation, and the ability to throw out lightning hazards that deal pow 10s to anyone walking into them. He will also be playing in Bones meaning he’ll have a ton of Geomancys that can cast either Gallows or TK to keep themselves safe from Heavies or vomit out tons of lightning storms to deal auto pow 10s to any units that may walk into them (aka mulch all the Satyxis). Into Kreuger2 you need fast models that don’t require charges, don’t rely on short range guns, & don’t auto die to pow 10s. The only thing we have available to us like this are Stalkers, and we don’t have Skarre1 to make them actually threaten Wolds so the game plan is assassination or bust. On top of this even if you manage to somehow find a list pair that can even play list chicken into this the circle player could always just say eff it and just play a Kaya3 Synergy Brick instead.
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Post by gedditoffme on May 20, 2018 9:47:47 GMT
Thanks for that summary. The lack of pathfinder could be a big issue.
There was some talk of battle box casters being implicitly included in ADR, which would open up ghost walk at least, and another parasite option. Haven’t seen that confirmed anywhere though. If
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Post by unded on May 20, 2018 11:09:41 GMT
Wolds (especially if you're spamming geomancers, so woldwardens) have pretty poor armour and terrible defence. Just the shooting from Skarre3 and whatever you take with her (I fancy a Kraken in every theme with her, in Industries I'd include a leviathan, Malice and some nightwretches; In scourge I'd be using the less effective gunslingers plus Severa) will put a huge amount of pressure on the bones list. I'd be very comfortable playing Skarre3 in any configuration into Wurmy Bones.
Krugs2 is a little trickier with Stormwall (I refuse to allow Cygnar to steal the coolest named spell in Circle!), but he's not shutting down your charges the way Wurmy is so I rate your chances at least even. Scourge is probably better than Industries in this matchup though.
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Post by skittles on May 20, 2018 22:56:22 GMT
Also, don't forget if playing multiple lists in champions going foward, you cannot use the same theme for both lists
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Post by Deller on May 21, 2018 0:18:11 GMT
Wolds (especially if you're spamming geomancers, so woldwardens) have pretty poor armour and terrible defence. Just the shooting from Skarre3 and whatever you take with her (I fancy a Kraken in every theme with her, in Industries I'd include a leviathan, Malice and some nightwretches; In scourge I'd be using the less effective gunslingers plus Severa) will put a huge amount of pressure on the bones list. I'd be very comfortable playing Skarre3 in any configuration into Wurmy Bones. Krugs2 is a little trickier with Stormwall (I refuse to allow Cygnar to steal the coolest named spell in Circle!), but he's not shutting down your charges the way Wurmy is so I rate your chances at least even. Scourge is probably better than Industries in this matchup though. Krueger’s not shutting down charges the way Wurmwood is, but he’s still shutting them down. Are you playing BI, prepare to have all your jacks Telekinesis’d around so they begin their activations with no LoS to anything so they can’t charge. Are you playing Scourge, prepare to get a unit of Satyxis Rebuked every turn stopping orders, meaning no charging.
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Post by unded on May 21, 2018 5:13:37 GMT
Neither windstorm nor rebuke can be geomancied.
If Kruger is casting both then he’s setting himself up for being assassinated, even through windstorm.
I still see scourge as an even game (Industries is pretty rough with geomancied TK) when you consider the the above, and an even game is all I’m ever really looking for.
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Post by Deller on May 22, 2018 3:21:23 GMT
Neither windstorm nor rebuke can be geomancied. If Kruger is casting both then he’s setting himself up for being assassinated, even through windstorm. I still see scourge as an even game (Industries is pretty rough with geomancied TK) when you consider the the above, and an even game is all I’m ever really looking for. You know Gallows Groves are allowed in Bones right?
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Post by unded on May 22, 2018 5:24:23 GMT
A gallows grove is a far cry from a real arcnode
Only a 5” port and reliant on terrain for stealth. They’re very easy to snipe out, and if they’re protected by windstorm then they’re too far back to be a threat.
Honestly the best use for gallows groves is moving around friendly upkeeps, but since Kruger has none of those their only real use becomes TKing friendly models
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Post by tiberius on Aug 28, 2018 16:54:49 GMT
I have a small champions tournament coming up in 2 weeks. Here are the lists I am considering.
Iron Lich Asphyxious - Barathrum - Cankerworm - Deathripper - Leviathan - Ripjaw Satyxis Raider Captain Severa Blacktide (free) Axiara Wraithblade (free) Misery Cage Satyxis Raiders + Sea Witch Satyxis Blood Witches + Hag Satyxis Gunslingers
(though I am tempted to drop a misery cage and the leviathan for wrong eye and snap jaw)
Goreshade the Bastard (black industries) - Deathwalker - Deathjack - Reaper x 2 - Slayer x 2 - Stalker x 2 - shrike x 2 (free) warwitch siren Soul trapper Cephalyx Mind Slaver and Drudges
Okay, so the soul trapper has no real target because the deathjack no longer uses souls and neither does goreshade. I would love to get a second warwitch in there. I can drop the stalkers since shadowmancer is command range only, and they will not benefit 90% of the time. Put in a warwitch siren, drop the soul trapper and maybe add in a seether or something.
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