Hashmal
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Post by Hashmal on May 23, 2018 4:06:13 GMT
Yeah she banging. To my opponents' chagrin, I will be playing her more this year. I think after three years I have successfully lulled people into a false sense of security that I don't play her. Tee hee.
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Post by greytemplar on May 23, 2018 4:56:35 GMT
She's in a really good spot now. Back to being a top dog, but not overbearing like she could be last edition.
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Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on May 23, 2018 13:00:46 GMT
Fwiw I still don't like her feat sharing the range of martyrdom. It makes it so that a successful implementation of her game plan often involves not using it.
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Post by correlion on May 23, 2018 13:18:48 GMT
Too bad VoJ didn't make it to Exemplar CID. martyrdom+heal from BE is a great combo.
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Cyel
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Post by Cyel on May 23, 2018 14:02:02 GMT
Fwiw I still don't like her feat sharing the range of martyrdom. It makes it so that a successful implementation of her game plan often involves not using it. Can you elaborate ? I find her feat a very useful tool in almost every game.
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Post by bskhacker on May 23, 2018 14:08:21 GMT
I saw the most beautiful converted/painted Harbinger model for sale and bought it last weekend. I can't wait until it arrives and have spent my time thinking of different lists with her. After the CID change that have been proposed, how is she doing? Have they brought her up to par enough? What themes are you running her in? She feels like she's pretty flexible on that front. She didn't need "bringing up to par". She's been very good, especially recently, in Faithful Masses. In Cid she's just have been made even better.
I was quite surprised that she even appeared in Cid(!?) and received buffs (!?!?!), when we have casters like Reznik1, Tristan2 or Feora2...
I agree she looks nuts in her current form. I think it was too much outcry from the nurf she received at the start of mk3. I agree that we have casters that really should have gotten a look at other than Harbinger. I feel we will have to wait for something like a Guardians of the Temple cid for malikus and the feoras.
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Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on May 23, 2018 14:09:32 GMT
Fwiw I still don't like her feat sharing the range of martyrdom. It makes it so that a successful implementation of her game plan often involves not using it. Can you elaborate ? I find her feat a very useful tool in almost every game. In theory, very few opposing models should even be capable of entering that radius on account of her army, or they won't want to bother. I also see a ton of things locally that aren't bothered by pow14 fire when they do enter it: large battlegroup, lots of strong range, horgle is very popular, etc.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on May 23, 2018 14:13:42 GMT
The last minute addition of the Hierophant in Exemplar Interdiction will help a lot with that theme, combined with a Shrine she could be obnoxious as flip. You finally force enough Martyrdoms to where you can kill stuff, and it bloody comes back again!
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Post by macdaddy on May 23, 2018 14:17:20 GMT
Can you elaborate ? I find her feat a very useful tool in almost every game. In theory, very few opposing models should even be capable of entering that radius on account of her army, or they won't want to bother. I also see a ton of things locally that aren't bothered by pow14 fire when they do enter it: large battlegroup, lots of strong range, horgle is very popular, etc. some armies only get work done in melee or lack the volume of ranged attacks to punch through martyrdom. She is going to probably bust a lot of balls when CiD changes drop.
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Post by paradox on May 23, 2018 14:36:55 GMT
Too bad VoJ didn't make it to Exemplar CID. martyrdom+heal from BE is a great combo. It was just in a CID last year.
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draycos
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Post by draycos on May 23, 2018 14:48:07 GMT
Too bad VoJ didn't make it to Exemplar CID. martyrdom+heal from BE is a great combo. It was just in a CID last year. Yea, I am confused. Why do you want the VoJ in the CID? You can already take it in the exemplar theme and as you stated, the combo is already good.
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blakeh1
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Post by blakeh1 on May 23, 2018 15:30:37 GMT
The last minute addition of the Hierophant in Exemplar Interdiction will help a lot with that theme, combined with a Shrine she could be obnoxious as flip. You finally force enough Martyrdoms to where you can kill stuff, and it bloody comes back again! And then someone/something one shots Harbinger with a boosted POW 10 because she is one 1 or 2 health and has already used her shield guard(s) I have been there. It might seem a tough nut to crack for people who aren't used to playing against her, but she does have her weakenesses
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Post by macdaddy on May 23, 2018 15:54:29 GMT
The last minute addition of the Hierophant in Exemplar Interdiction will help a lot with that theme, combined with a Shrine she could be obnoxious as flip. You finally force enough Martyrdoms to where you can kill stuff, and it bloody comes back again! And then someone/something one shots Harbinger with a boosted POW 10 because she is one 1 or 2 health and has already used her shield guard(s) I have been there. It might seem a tough nut to crack for people who aren't used to playing against her, but she does have her weakenesses That Boosted pow 10 typically also needs to hit def 18/20 while she is behind the wall. It takes a special kind of list to deal with harbinger, everything else just loses a long boring attrition game.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 23, 2018 15:54:33 GMT
Not really. Cinerators will appreciate Hand of the Creator, but Bastions will die like chumps before it's super relevant. And Tristan2 does so little else for his infantry. Tristan is, in my opinion, a very good caster in the wrong faction. He wants ranged jacks with solid shot non-Inaccurate guns. Preferably with range 12. We have some of this, but it's on expensive heavies. He needs a cheaper option. His problem as I see it is that he is one or two releases away from being a seriously good 'caster. I really don't want to derail from Harbinger. But this is confusing me incessantly. I understand he has true sight. But his big spell is Manifest Destiny which only applies to melee attack and damage rolls.
So do you want him to lose MD and move into a ranged caster role. Or is MD a good swing to make up for lost melee capability on ranged jacks?
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on May 23, 2018 15:57:36 GMT
Not really. Cinerators will appreciate Hand of the Creator, but Bastions will die like chumps before it's super relevant. And Tristan2 does so little else for his infantry. Tristan is, in my opinion, a very good caster in the wrong faction. He wants ranged jacks with solid shot non-Inaccurate guns. Preferably with range 12. We have some of this, but it's on expensive heavies. He needs a cheaper option. His problem as I see it is that he is one or two releases away from being a seriously good 'caster. I really don't want to derail from Harbinger. But this is confusing me incessantly. I understand he has true sight. But his big spell is Manifest Destiny which only applies to melee attack and damage rolls.
So do you want him to lose MD and move into a ranged caster role. Or is MD a good swing to make up for lost melee capability on ranged jacks?
True Sight is not just for ranged attacks, it lets you charge things behind clouds as well
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