bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on May 14, 2018 1:41:48 GMT
I have yet to see a post about the alternate time line caster for us, so I'd thought I would start one.
What are the communities thoughts on the new version of Ghyrshyyld?
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Post by falkman on May 14, 2018 7:49:16 GMT
He’s a lot better than regular Shade4, but it doesn’t really matter since he is not available in standard games.
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Post by sunrunner on May 14, 2018 12:26:57 GMT
Its funny cause hes awesome and would see a ton of play time, but pointless because hes only for Beer and pretzels games as you may be able to talk your local TO into letting you play him but he will never be legal in anything run by PP or even closely monitored by PP so its pretty much the same if I went and Graphics up a new card with a Caster and put new spells and a feat on him. Pretty much all the Alternate casters are pretty sexy and wanted by their faction, its kinda Deliberate as most of them are not even close to balanced as PP did not bother with that since they are not legal for play.
Honestly I just think of them and an April fools joke from PP and move on.
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on May 14, 2018 12:56:01 GMT
Good point. I wonder why they would do this sort of thing in the first place? I mean it's a neat concept, but if I can't use him on anything but a pick up game why should we bother?
The spell that he has that nullifies spells and feats in his control area seems way to OP. I may use him once for laughs, but I'd rather practice my legit lists.
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Post by falkman on May 14, 2018 14:16:05 GMT
Good point. I wonder why they would do this sort of thing in the first place? I mean it's a neat concept, but if I can't use him on anything but a pick up game why should we bother? The spell that he has that nullifies spells and feats in his control area seems way to OP. I may use him once for laughs, but I'd rather practice my legit lists. As they mentioned in the Insider, this was done way back for an event PP held for a bunch of friends and colleagues.
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Post by HubertJFarnsworth on May 14, 2018 14:34:41 GMT
Good point. I wonder why they would do this sort of thing in the first place? I mean it's a neat concept, but if I can't use him on anything but a pick up game why should we bother? The spell that he has that nullifies spells and feats in his control area seems way to OP. I may use him once for laughs, but I'd rather practice my legit lists. Some people only play pickup games. Not everything is for tournaments; they make lots of model and terrain rules just for pickup games. Additionally, as Falkman pointed out, they were originally created for an invitational event day that was the precursor to Lock and Load and will be playable as part of the Summer Rampage event packet next month. It's only by coincidence that the alternate reality was Gyrrshyld never left and 6 years later they decided to have him come back. From what I can remember of the leaks I'd found before of the original event rules written for MkII these are either unchanged or changed only slightly so they're hardly designed to cover any sort of faction weaknesses that exist in the current game. They're just a fun, fluff-based idea that someone had and they wrote up some quick rules for to dick around with their friends back in the early days of MkII and they decided to share them with us because people have been asking for it for 8 years.
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Post by xskeletalx on May 14, 2018 16:02:07 GMT
Good point. I wonder why they would do this sort of thing in the first place? I mean it's a neat concept, but if I can't use him on anything but a pick up game why should we bother? I've never really understood this attitude when looking at things. I know for a lot of people the competitive/tournament aspect of Warmachine is the biggest draw, but I'd be willing to bet that those of us who dabble with competitive play and spend more time playing casual or friendly matches make up the vast majority of the Warmachine community. For anyone who doesn't stick entirely to competitive play, these models absolutely will have a use.
For that rate, couldn't the same "why bother" be asked about any caster which isn't considered absolutely top-tier? Why should a caster even exist who isn't on the level of a Butcher 3, Nemo 3, Barnabus 2, etc?
PP already introduced the "Who's The Boss" format, where a caster leads a different faction; Obviously that's not something which is able to be done in normal tournaments, but does that mean it shouldn't exist?
I really like the idea of alternative ruled casters, to be honest. It's fun to imagine how the lore of the Iron Kingdoms could be different, and if PP keeps designing alternate casters (who don't need an additional model to be sculpted) it could be a fun way to try out different army lists relatively easily.
I think the article mentioned that these were created a while back for a particular event, without the intention of releasing the rules to the general public, but that people had requested them since. If that's the case, it's definitely cool that PP decided to share these with the community at large.
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kaernak
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Post by kaernak on May 14, 2018 16:22:34 GMT
Good point. I wonder why they would do this sort of thing in the first place? I mean it's a neat concept, but if I can't use him on anything but a pick up game why should we bother? I've never really understood this attitude when looking at things. I know for a lot of people the competitive/tournament aspect of Warmachine is the biggest draw, but I'd be willing to bet that those of us who dabble with competitive play and spend more time playing casual or friendly matches make up the vast majority of the Warmachine community. For anyone who doesn't stick entirely to competitive play, these models absolutely will have a use.
For that rate, couldn't the same "why bother" be asked about any caster which isn't considered absolutely top-tier? Why should a caster even exist who isn't on the level of a Butcher 3, Nemo 3, Barnabus 2, etc?
PP already introduced the "Who's The Boss" format, where a caster leads a different faction; Obviously that's not something which is able to be done in normal tournaments, but does that mean it shouldn't exist?
I really like the idea of alternative ruled casters, to be honest. It's fun to imagine how the lore of the Iron Kingdoms could be different, and if PP keeps designing alternate casters (who don't need an additional model to be sculpted) it could be a fun way to try out different army lists relatively easily.
I think the article mentioned that these were created a while back for a particular event, without the intention of releasing the rules to the general public, but that people had requested them since. If that's the case, it's definitely cool that PP decided to share these with the community at large.
Didn't you know? No one is allowed to play this game for fun. It is all SR20xx, Champs, and Masters.
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on May 14, 2018 17:37:42 GMT
Whoa now, hold the reins peeps. Hahaha. I didn't mean to come across salty there. What I was poorly trying to convey was; in my limited free time to play this game, I don't think I will personally play him very much, if at all.
I still think it's a cool idea, but for players like me he's not a caster I will be playing a lot of when I still have practice to get in with my main lists.
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Post by HubertJFarnsworth on May 14, 2018 17:47:13 GMT
Fair enough, for what it's worth I know I personally have a tendency to jump on anything that smells like the phrase "this is a tournament-only game" so I do apologize for assuming the worst. Something I need to get better at.
Either way, neat model for casual games (did you guys see Legion-Eiryss? She's pretty ridiculous) and with any luck after our upcoming CID we won't have much to complain about on the G4 front.
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on May 14, 2018 18:44:18 GMT
Legion Eiryss?! I may have just tasted bile... I'll have to check her out. I know my brother, who plays Legion, would love to have an Eiryss. I on the other hand wouldn't like playing against her, haha.
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Post by HubertJFarnsworth on May 14, 2018 20:59:52 GMT
Legion Eiryss?! I may have just tasted bile... I'll have to check her out. I know my brother, who plays Legion, would love to have an Eiryss. I on the other hand wouldn't like playing against her, haha. She's like Eiryss1 and Caine1 had a blighted baby. Eiryss, Echo of Everblight SPD 7 STR 5 MAT 6 RAT 9 DEF 16 ARM 13 CMD 9 Pathfinder, Stealth Soulshadow (gun) RNG 12 ROF 1 POW 10 (Magical) Attack Type: Deadly Shot, Disruptor Bolt, Phantom Seeker Saber (sword) RNG .5 POW 3 P+S 8 (Weapon Master) Whiplash Spells Deadeye Draconic Blessing Hoarfrost Occultation Feat: Phantom Killer Eiryss makes a basic Soulshadow attack against every enemy model currently in her control range, ignoring intervening models, using the Phantom Seeker attack type. When resolving Phantom Killer Eiryss can target models in her back arc. Eiryss cannot use Phantom Killer while she is in melee.
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on May 14, 2018 21:50:40 GMT
Wow, very nasty indeed. Thanks for posting, because I couldn't find her on the Legion card database at pp website.
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Post by sunrunner on May 15, 2018 12:11:28 GMT
Its not that the game is Tournament only. Its that its an unofficial joke, and in the end your hurting your self if you play with those casters because they have things that just dont exist and are not supported by the factions. Also someone is always going to be the best, and what is the best shifts as the meta shifts. Also there is alot of skill involved in warmahordes and some people take what people consider the lower power casters to display their skill or to exploit the fact that alot of people may not have seen or have very little play time vs that caster and will struggle to come up with ways to deal with them under the pressure of an event. Also sometimes the meta has shifted enough in one direction that the natural predators of the "lower power" casters are not very prevalent and that can allow them to do well.
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Post by HubertJFarnsworth on May 15, 2018 12:51:10 GMT
Actually I might try to whip up a scenario for Alt-Ghyrrshyld vs Alt-Eiryss based on a mirror image of their meeting in MkI when Goreshade found Nyssor, stole his sword, and got caught by Eiryss who then went on to inform her superiors and lay the groundwork for Retribution entering the game as a faction. It's a pretty pivotal moment in the fiction for Ret, could be neat to see it play out in reverse.
I'll see if I have some time today and post it up here if anyone is interested.
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