faelin
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Post by faelin on May 10, 2018 17:32:07 GMT
When compared to CoC, which has no character jacks, the number that the PoM has is a little overwhelming. But that's nothing compared to how overwhelming the price tag seems to be ($50/character). Which character jacks are the most important to their casters? Which are more of an optional investment?
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Post by cgdeth on May 10, 2018 17:39:28 GMT
IMHO The Avatar is the only must have jack from our faction. He can pretty much run in any list with any caster. He's also the poster child of the PoM Jack's. In the same vein as; Behemoth, Death Jack, Thunder Head. My friend calls them the apotheosis jacks.
My suggestion is more about the represdntation of the faction not the best jack we have.
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Post by macdaddy on May 10, 2018 17:41:15 GMT
If you ever for some reason play malekus, Eye of truth is a bananas good heavy. (but you cannot take him unless you run malekus or out of theme)
If you ever play Reznick 1 or 2, Scourge of Heresy is also amazing as a face beater, spell denial heavy.
If you ever play sevvy blessing of vengence is really solid option. For Sevvy2, I always take him.
Feorra loves Her character Jack.
Blood of martyrs is amazing so I alwasy take it with thyra.
Honestly, the only character jack that you don't really want is Avatar right now. But if you like him a lot, he runs really well with durst or Kreoss3. (lots of non BG buffs and a speed buff/free charge.)
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Post by chillychinaman on May 10, 2018 17:42:47 GMT
Honestly, the only character jack that is a must have is probably Hand of Judgement & Blessing of Vengeance. HoJ is attached to Feora with 3 separate incarnations of various effectiveness and is a strong, versatile jack. BoV is almost mandatory for spellslinging on the many Sevies, and he has his 3rd incarnation on the way.
Eye of Truth is an amazing jack and, prior to theme forces, would be next on the list. Unless you are playing out of theme or have a strong gameplan for Malekus, Eye isn't going to be seeing much table time anymore.
Avatar is a poor choice due to being theme locked currently and not benefiting from our faction's various battlegroup buffs.
Scourge of Heresy is yet another jack locked out of themes, and Reznik's relatively poor showing in Mk3 reduces its use even further. It's not particularly bad and being an upgrade kit lowers the IRL cost of fielding it.
Finally, we have Fire of Salvation, which is a solid, but pretty vanilla jack. It just got added to Exemplar Interdiction so I expect to see it get more use when you don't need any bells or whistles and just want a self-sufficient beat-stick.
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Forgot Blood of Martyrs. Thyra's stock currently is up, the jack itself is pretty solid and potentially self-sufficent, and it's another upgrade kit, so if you have Thyra it's another good buy.
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Choco
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Post by Choco on May 10, 2018 18:43:28 GMT
IMHO The Avatar is the only must have jack from our faction. He can pretty much run in any list with any caster. He's also the poster child of the PoM Jack's. In the same vein as; Behemoth, Death Jack, Thunder Head. My friend calls them the apotheosis jacks. My suggestion is more about the represdntation of the faction not the best jack we have. History Lesson! Apotheosis was the third book printed back in MKI. This is where the first character warjacks were introduced (all named above) and the idea of an epic warcaster was introduced in this book too. It was also an obnoxiously large, coffee table style book with beautiful artwork in it. All it had was warcasters (4 per faction, 2 new, 2 epic) and the character jacks. This also introduced the higher point totals for list building that is now equivalent to what we play at 75 points. As for the Avatar, it's in a bit of a rough space right now. It functions like a solo, not a warjack. It can't gain any abilities another jack could get from either the Warcaster's battlegroup spells, or a jack marshal's drive and other bonuses. It is expensive and easily dealt with against certain factions. And finally, it's just too expensive for people to want to include it in their lists. I know I've been having fun with it, but that's with Reznik1 who doesn't care if it is in his battlegroup or not. chillychinaman : Where did we get confirmation that Sevvy3 is coming? All I heard is that a drunk Will at a convention said he was going to be in a colossal, which sounds like something a drunk Will would say at a convention. |
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Post by supercancel on May 10, 2018 19:08:18 GMT
I initially thought Sevvy3 was the church structure...
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Post by macdaddy on May 10, 2018 19:36:55 GMT
Choco so far this is no Sevvy3. There is a Sevvy0, a journeyman version of Sevvy. I don't think we will ever see Sevvy3. That whole "Sevvy as a Judicator" Sounds like a joke to me
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Hashmal
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Post by Hashmal on May 10, 2018 19:42:15 GMT
Fairly certain that the Colossal Sevy3 was confirmed false via Twitter.
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kaernak
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Post by kaernak on May 11, 2018 12:38:50 GMT
But battle engine 3fast3verius(protectorate drift) hasn't been denied yet.
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Hashmal
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Post by Hashmal on May 12, 2018 2:00:06 GMT
Dude, our jacks top out at Edsel speed.
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martini
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Post by martini on May 12, 2018 18:48:34 GMT
So in short our Characters Jacks are somewhere between ok and great (not you Avatar) so take any one of them if You plan to play with the Caster bonded to them.
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Post by dmorktry on May 13, 2018 17:55:20 GMT
So in short our Characters Jacks are somewhere between ok and great (not you Avatar) so take any one of them if You plan to play with the Caster bonded to them. Basically. Thankfully magnetizing makes our upgrade kit characters pretty cost effective, BoM and SoH are pretty low investment and then for the full price ones, FoS is probably the most versatile and easy to convert, HoJ is great but I don't see too many people playing Feora as of late and while EoT might be the best jack in the game in both model and rules, unless you really like Malekus or playing 15 points down I couldn't recommend him |
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demonic
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Post by demonic on May 14, 2018 2:08:23 GMT
The new Sevvy is going to be a junior caster, yes. Blessing of Vengeance Eye of Menoth Hand of Judgement those are the only "have to haves" as far as character jacks go. To give you an example, when Sevvy 1 arcs an ashes to ashes through the Blessing of Vengeance it becomes a PS 13 + 2 (vengeance)+ 1(his passive bonus)= 16 at rat 8 + 2 (vengeance) + 1 (passive bonus) = 11. The D3 arcs that come off of the base 16 has a PS of 10 + 2 (vengeance) + 1 (passive) = 13. You can then use a heirophant to reduce its cost from 3 to 2  Sevy 1 can be SUPER OP when you master all the janky crap he can do... like arcing death sentence into a high def caster to make it easier to hit him with flare  aim, boost, and a + 1 from Sevy makes it rather possible, especially when you get 2 roles to do it ^-^ |
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jarrow
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Post by jarrow on May 14, 2018 11:33:16 GMT
Blessing of Vengeance Eye of Menoth Hand of Judgement Agree with those, but I think Blood of Martyrs is as good for Thyra as HoJ is for Feora. Scourge of Heresy is good jack and it was played quite much early MK3, but it don't fit Rezniks play style. Fire of salvation will most likely be allowed to exemplar theme after CID and it will be interesting option with journeyman-severius. Dispel is not that great bonus so you wont lose much by not taking it with Kreoss. Avatar is as mentioned on odd place by being a solo that costs you ~25p. Battle group points and themes just screw it. |
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martini
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Post by martini on May 14, 2018 12:59:15 GMT
The new Sevvy is going to be a junior caster, yes. Blessing of Vengeance Eye of Menoth Hand of Judgement those are the only "have to haves" as far as character jacks go. To give you an example, when Sevvy 1 arcs an ashes to ashes through the Blessing of Vengeance it becomes a PS 13 + 2 (vengeance)+ 1(his passive bonus)= 16 at rat 8 + 2 (vengeance) + 1 (passive bonus) = 11. The D3 arcs that come off of the base 16 has a PS of 10 + 2 (vengeance) + 1 (passive) = 13. You can then use a heirophant to reduce its cost from 3 to 2 Sevy 1 can be SUPER OP when you master all the janky crap he can do... like arcing death sentence into a high def caster to make it easier to hit him with flare aim, boost, and a + 1 from Sevy makes it rather possible, especially when you get 2 roles to do it ^-^ Pow 16 with ashes to ashes? They have base pow 10 not 13. |
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Sevy 1 can be SUPER OP when you master all the janky crap he can do... like arcing death sentence into a high def caster to make it easier to hit him with flare 
aim, boost, and a + 1 from Sevy makes it rather possible, especially when you get 2 roles to do it ^-^