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Post by wasted79 on May 4, 2018 15:02:29 GMT
Hi guys!
I just want to see your opinions on this. If everyone agreed or not on models that need rule changes.
If you can say what's lacking to be effective too, even if it's just a cost reduction.
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Post by wasted79 on May 4, 2018 15:08:29 GMT
I was talking with my friend recently and i was thinking that Avatar would be worthing it's pts if he could have always 3-4 focus per activation (fixed focus instead of rolled)
I would also see a fluff-wise buff to say he's ignoring crippled systems. (Just remove the letter boxes)
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Choco
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Post by Choco on May 4, 2018 16:06:51 GMT
I was talking with my friend recently and i was thinking that Avatar would be worthing it's pts if he could have always 3-4 focus per activation (fixed focus instead of rolled) I would also see a fluff-wise buff to say he's ignoring crippled systems. (Just remove the letter boxes) Go back to immune to Disruption. Menoth's Gaze allows only movement directly towards it. Point Reduction, down to 16 since he can't gain battlegroup spells or count for WJ points.
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Miafan
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Post by Miafan on May 4, 2018 16:29:34 GMT
Kreoss2 - everything except feat Avatar of Menoth - point cost, adaptation to MK3 battlegroup realities Bastions - everything Vengers - the Lance is the word Revenger - I have no idea why i'd ever want him. I even think that he probably should lose the arcnode rule, and instead get something that punishes enemy for successfully casting spells on targets near him. Like, a trigger that allows YOUR caster to channel a free spell through him, targeting the caster in question. That will both go well with the name and will justify the Arcnode thingy on the model.
Not adding cinerators, because UA may fix them.
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Choco
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Post by Choco on May 4, 2018 21:00:12 GMT
Feora2 - Go back to the old version of her feat where you moved fire first, then got the focus. Also, give her a Field Marshal that gives her jacks continuous fire and get rid of Fire Starter. Giver her back Ignite.
Avatar - See my post above
Reclaimer Gatekeeper - Why no drive? Give him a drive where he can spend souls to give focus to his jack?
Vanquisher - Points drop to 15 or 16, and/or range increase to 12.
Tristan2/Malekus - I kinda want to swap Open Fire and Manifest Destiny. Swap these spells with each caster. For some reason this seems like a great option.
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blakeh1
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Post by blakeh1 on May 5, 2018 0:21:00 GMT
The Avatar sorely needs immunity to disruption
I had more than one game where the Avatar kept getting knocked down or made stationary as well as getting disrupted making it a paper weight
It shouldn't be that easy
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spideredd
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Post by spideredd on May 5, 2018 11:15:56 GMT
Models in Cid: 1) Kreoss2. His spell list is a bit on the situational side 2) Bastions. They're so very close with their current CID iteration. Just a little more survivability. 3) Vengers. They really need to lose the lance\close combat combination, but that's not happening 4) Purifier. This jack has always been a solution in search of a problem. Ashen veil helps, but I think it needs a points drop too. 5) Knight Exemplar Officer. This lady is great. I'd like to see her a point cheaper though. Models not in Cid: 1) Feora2. I don't know what I'd do with her. Maybe Caustic presence should turn off fire immunity instead of keeping fire going. Maybe she should lose firestarter for field-marshal[continuous fire]. Whatever she does, I just want things to burn. 2) Castigator. This just needs combust to be a 1 focus ability and it'll be good. 3) Vanquisher. A points drop is all it should need. Maybe costing 15-16 is where it should be. 4) Repenter. I find it slightly too expensive for what it does. Drop it a point and I'll be happy. 5) Dervish. Yeah, I said it. This overshadows our melee jacks. I think it needs a point increase. edit: Feora2 - Go back to the old version of her feat where you moved fire first, then got the focus. I've played Feroa2 since MKI, and her feat hasn't changed since then. It's always been the same four steps in the same order (gain focus, allocate gained focus, remove fire, place fire) so I'm not sure what you mean by this.
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Choco
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Post by Choco on May 6, 2018 23:24:06 GMT
Models in Cid: 1) Kreoss2. His spell list is a bit on the situational side 2) Bastions. They're so very close with their current CID iteration. Just a little more survivability. 3) Vengers. They really need to lose the lance\close combat combination, but that's not happening 4) Purifier. This jack has always been a solution in search of a problem. Ashen veil helps, but I think it needs a points drop too. 5) Knight Exemplar Officer. This lady is great. I'd like to see her a point cheaper though. Models not in Cid: 1) Feora2. I don't know what I'd do with her. Maybe Caustic presence should turn off fire immunity instead of keeping fire going. Maybe she should lose firestarter for field-marshal[continuous fire]. Whatever she does, I just want things to burn. 2) Castigator. This just needs combust to be a 1 focus ability and it'll be good. 3) Vanquisher. A points drop is all it should need. Maybe costing 15-16 is where it should be. 4) Repenter. I find it slightly too expensive for what it does. Drop it a point and I'll be happy. 5) Dervish. Yeah, I said it. This overshadows our melee jacks. I think it needs a point increase. edit: Feora2 - Go back to the old version of her feat where you moved fire first, then got the focus. I've played Feroa2 since MKI, and her feat hasn't changed since then. It's always been the same four steps in the same order (gain focus, allocate gained focus, remove fire, place fire) so I'm not sure what you mean by this. I remember people in MKI popping the invincible mini feat on the Monolith Bearer, dropping bombs on each other to set them on fire, popping her feat, moving the fire then going to town with a ton of focus.
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Post by macdaddy on May 6, 2018 23:57:55 GMT
Based on what I know with the faction I think I would like:
1: Reznick1 2: Malekus 3: Feora 2 4: Avatar 5: Vanquisher
Those seem like the models in faction currently that need the most love
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jarrow
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Post by jarrow on May 7, 2018 5:43:54 GMT
edit: I've played Feroa2 since MKI, and her feat hasn't changed since then. It's always been the same four steps in the same order (gain focus, allocate gained focus, remove fire, place fire) so I'm not sure what you mean by this. I remember people in MKI popping the invincible mini feat on the Monolith Bearer, dropping bombs on each other to set them on fire, popping her feat, moving the fire then going to town with a ton of focus.
Order has always been same, but MK1 Feora get focus from all fires, not only opponent models. That let her get ton of focus. I think problem of Feora is that Amon do nearly all thing she do but better. And removal on Ignite hurts her really much.
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Post by d3z on May 7, 2018 12:00:50 GMT
Order has always been same, but MK1 Feora get focus from all fires, not only opponent models. That let her get ton of focus. I think problem of Feora is that Amon do nearly all thing she do but better. And removal on Ignite hurts her really much. Feora2 and ignite is a funny one. People still go on about ignite exactly as they did a year ago, but since then we've received (or will receive) 2 solid tools for increasing damage in certain themes, Hand of Vengeance and Sev0. I really think at this point the conversation needs to pivot away from her armour cracking and towards her fire mechanics. On topic: 1, 2, and 3: Eye of Truth, Scourge of Heresy, and Blood of Martyrs being allowed away from their casters somewhere in the themes e.g. Flameguard theme for EoT and BoM. 4: Tristan2 needs to get out from under Amon. 5: Reznik1 needs work. 2 COST for brand as a start.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 7, 2018 13:05:48 GMT
Why do people harp on Maelekus? He's meant to be balanced as a battlebox caster first and foremost. Anything more and it breaks that. Plus the only BB casters any factions liked were Ragnor and for a brief moment Tanith. So you're not alone with not liking your BB caster on a large scale.
either way; top 5
1 - Avatar. Either cheaper of make him more powerful than what battelgroup buffs would provide. 2 - Feora 3 - Feora 4 - Feora 5 - Reznik 1
I'm sorry. I do not see any power in any iteration of Feora. Relying on a continuous affect that won't kill anything in her turn and has a 33% chance of doing nothing at all is just idiotic.(yes 2 can keep fire burning in her ctrl range, but those models should have already been dead) Each has a good spell or two. But everything else is just... "Why?!"
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Post by correlion on May 7, 2018 13:53:55 GMT
Not including current CID:
1. Avatar 2. Vanquisher 3. f1 4. Reznik1 5. Castigator
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Post by lordgrimlok on May 7, 2018 15:35:40 GMT
Not in CID- Feora 1,2,3 (lump them all together) Tristan 2 Vanquisher Castigator.
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Post by macdaddy on May 7, 2018 16:23:10 GMT
Why do people harp on Maelekus? He's meant to be balanced as a battlebox caster first and foremost. Anything more and it breaks that. Plus the only BB casters any factions liked were Ragnor and for a brief moment Tanith. So you're not alone with not liking your BB caster on a large scale. either way; top 5 1 - Avatar. Either cheaper of make him more powerful than what battelgroup buffs would provide. 2 - Feora 3 - Feora 4 - Feora 5 - Reznik 1 I'm sorry. I do not see any power in any iteration of Feora. Relying on a continuous affect that won't kill anything in her turn and has a 33% chance of doing nothing at all is just idiotic.(yes 2 can keep fire burning in her ctrl range, but those models should have already been dead) Each has a good spell or two. But everything else is just... "Why?!" As far as Maleukus goes, its because I love Eye of truth and want a decent excuse to use him all the time. So much so, that I almost have run out of theme just to put down an "Avengers" list with all the character heavies. Honestly, that's like 95% of why I want him to be worth taking at larger points levels. Some people swear feora 1 is a dark horse, never played it myself, I think paradox has some jank with her though. Feora 3 is basically the "KILL KILL KILL" caster. Because her personal buff swings are absurd.
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