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Post by gdead909 on Apr 8, 2017 14:57:33 GMT
So the flavor of this unit is great but when they get to the table they seem so lackluster. Never being able to be fell called is just odd. They dont have pathfinder and seem overcosted.
Anyone use these guys?
How would we fix them if we could?
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Post by Trollock on Apr 8, 2017 20:20:19 GMT
Giving them pathfinder would fix them in theory, but since they are not allowed in PoD, and do not give you free solos in BoH they will not see the table anyway. Not because they are not good enough, but because playing themes (or rather playing PoD) is superior to not play themed. If they are allowed in the northkin theme and give some benefit there, they might see the table.
If you play calandra without theme, then they are actually good. They easily scrap a heavy on her feat, and they have some utility with the spray, and some survivability with Star Crossed. If they had pathfinder, they could also get concealment more easily.
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Post by grabsnikk on Apr 8, 2017 22:22:40 GMT
You can take them in BOH theme. But there they get outshined by Champs for 1 point less who also count towards giving you free models.
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Post by grabsnikk on Apr 8, 2017 22:25:20 GMT
I think they could be decent if they went back to speed 6, could be Fell Called by other models and maybe dropped down to 9 pointa for the unit.
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Post by gdead909 on Apr 9, 2017 2:05:03 GMT
I agree for 11 points I think they should have pathfinder and have 10 boxes per. This way we know we can deliver them. When I look at the other 3 man character combat units the great bears and the legends of haluk really surpass these guys.
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Post by trollsareblue on Apr 9, 2017 16:21:28 GMT
The nerfs to SoB in the transition to the new edition are another puzzler. Who was complaining SoBs were too powerful? They were a niche unit before, and even less likely to see the table now.
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Post by grabsnikk on Apr 9, 2017 18:04:25 GMT
This is one of the problems I have with Trolls in Mk3. Soo much of our models and units got nerfed for apparently no reason, because its not like they were anywhere close to veing overpowered in Mk2. In fact, because of Runes of War and EE, most of our stuff didnt even see the table for quite a while. So it didn't even make sense for things to get nerfed in Mk3.
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Post by gdnerd on Apr 9, 2017 19:37:53 GMT
Before the themes I feel like they had places in some of the turd polishing lists - Callandra and Horgle in particular. Now, however, they can't be played in PoD and don't synergize with the benefits of BoH. I think they're just fine as a niche option but with the emphasis on theme lists at the moment they will not see play until either themes become less attractive or they get a theme that they synergize with.
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Post by gdead909 on Apr 9, 2017 23:59:36 GMT
Maybe they will be good in the next theme
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Post by trollquinn on Nov 1, 2017 14:08:04 GMT
Now that they count towards free cards and madrak 1 is the dopeness, does this change your views on bringing these guys ?
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Post by Arcaux on Nov 1, 2017 15:21:49 GMT
They are situational.
If you need armour cracking in Kriel Company I'd take them If you need exactly 11 points to get a 3rd free solo in Band of Heroes and you don't have 12 points for a Min unit of Longriders I'd take them.
If you have a Band of heroes list with outside access to pathfinder (Grim1, Jarl) then I'd consider them.
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Post by mazog on Nov 1, 2017 15:48:58 GMT
The Pathfinder issue stands, but he does make them much more appealing, especially since they'll bring a gun to the melee theme. I had them in my CID list, but haven't got around to trying them since it dropped. I rather suspect they would be worth the extra point over min champs on the spray alone.
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Post by albertairish on Nov 1, 2017 15:53:26 GMT
I have high hopes for MKIV.
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Post by macdaddy on Nov 1, 2017 16:42:18 GMT
With the changes to champions Sons of Bragg really need an update. min champs now hit harder, more accurately (with a fell caller) and are cheaper. They also have sanguine bond witch is an excellent way of delivering them. The sons may have 8 boxes and an extra point of defense but I think they need one or more of the following changes: 1: Pow increase one each of their weapons by 1. (to compensate for the increase on champions weapons.) 2: Give them Relentless charge. 3: reduce unit cost by 1.
I have seen them do work. They just need to be brought back in line with champions.
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Post by grabsnikk on Nov 1, 2017 19:52:43 GMT
I think all they really need to be competitive is to increase their SPD back to 6 (they have less armour than champs so they should be faster), give them relentless charge or letting them be affected by other models' fell calls or able to stack fell calls would be very interesting.
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