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Post by macdaddy on May 2, 2018 16:31:52 GMT
no...she did not. Have you even played her in faithfull masses? its gross She is hogging a slot in CiD and thats frustrating. I would've have preffered reznick one or malekus Have you ever played into any list with any amount of guns? Which is about every list in the new meta btw. wall + Devout + villmon + camp should protect you. If its a gunline that can eat through that you should have brought a list that handles gunlines. She is 18/14 behind the wall, no spells, no KD, and 20-14 if it is affected by awe. With 2 shield guards. Immune to blasts with a champion..blah blah blah. The defensive tech is there dude.
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Post by greytemplar on May 2, 2018 16:34:46 GMT
Have you ever played into any list with any amount of guns? Which is about every list in the new meta btw. wall + Devout + villmon + camp should protect you. If its a gunline that can eat through that you should have brought a list that handles gunlines. She is 18/14 behind the wall, no spells, no KD, and 20-14 if it is affected by awe. With 2 shield guards. Immune to blasts with a champion..blah blah blah. The defensive tech is there dude. And that’s way too many points you’ve devoted to caster protection and your ability to play the scenario will heavily suffer.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 2, 2018 16:36:02 GMT
Harby definitely needed a buff. She’s not done well with the mk3 changes. no...she did not. Have you even played her in faithfull masses? its gross She is hogging a slot in CiD and thats frustrating. I would've have preffered reznick one or malekus No one knows if any other model would be included if she wasn't. Malekus can never change until MK4 when he's no longer the battle box caster. I do agree with Reznick 1 needing just a bit of something.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 2, 2018 16:37:50 GMT
wall + Devout + villmon + camp should protect you. If its a gunline that can eat through that you should have brought a list that handles gunlines. She is 18/14 behind the wall, no spells, no KD, and 20-14 if it is affected by awe. With 2 shield guards. Immune to blasts with a champion..blah blah blah. The defensive tech is there dude. And that’s way too many points you’ve devoted to caster protection and your ability to play the scenario will heavily suffer. Vilmon is free The devout is just barely necessary and only 9 points of her now 28 WJPs. Wall comes with the theme.
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Post by macdaddy on May 2, 2018 16:38:22 GMT
wall + Devout + villmon + camp should protect you. If its a gunline that can eat through that you should have brought a list that handles gunlines. She is 18/14 behind the wall, no spells, no KD, and 20-14 if it is affected by awe. With 2 shield guards. Immune to blasts with a champion..blah blah blah. The defensive tech is there dude. And that’s way too many points you’ve devoted to caster protection and your ability to play the scenario will heavily suffer. dude vilmon is free (always take him in FM) and a devout is 9 points of your wajack allowance. Who cares is you invest 9 points or warjack allowance to protecto your caster if you are laughing safely behind a wall while you opponent slowly loses attrition every game. If you are losing with Harby the issue is not harby.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on May 2, 2018 16:43:27 GMT
The Temple is interesting with Testament, it competes for his souls, but can bring dudes back slightly more efficiently
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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 2, 2018 16:44:34 GMT
If you are losing with Harby the issue is not harby. Why you gots to be mean? Also, can I get a pdf p.l.e.a.s.e?
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Post by greytemplar on May 2, 2018 16:45:42 GMT
“Free” isn’t free. There is opportunity cost to consider.
Besides, if I’m going to play FM I’m gonna do it with pSevy and make a gun line. It’s better than anything Harby can do.
She needs these buffs. Full stop, that’s a fact.
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Post by Hashmal on May 2, 2018 16:48:29 GMT
Hot takes.
New stuff Cyrenia is really good. She justifies her spot as a Warcaster and I love how she supports Exemplar Interdiction. She is surprisingly well-balanced for a first release draft.
The Warder is exactly as expected, and then he got Inhuman Resolve. Solid attachment.
Hand of Silence is good and point costed appropriately for it. I would prefer he was a dragoon, but alas. Really excellent set of rules.
I am still not crazy about the Shrine, but am open to being wrong there.
The Cinerator CA is not great. 6 points for Take Down on a 5 attack unit, Shield Wall, and Dispel as a minifeat. Thoroughly unimpressed.
Old Stuff Cinerator changes are practically nonexistant, but they straight up said they wanted feedback. Take this opportunity.
Bastion points reduction is not enough. I'd still rather take KE with CA for 1 more point.
Bastion Senny has a pretty nifty drive. Still not enough to warrant his inclusion, but it feels pretty good.
Digging the Errant changes. But that's because they just returned to what they used to be.
Gade is amazing and an auto-include now (like he wasn't before).
Errant Senny is as Errants now. Still not crazy about Unyielding, but it does have uses with a Self Sacc'ing main unit.
Kreoss2 PLACEHOLDER. Needs work, obviously.
Harby is a welcome change and should do really good things for Protectorate tournament lists.
Fire of Salvation... I liked him at 7. Thanks for the free buff!
Indictor is now incredible. He was a solid B before.
JUDY. MY GIRL IS BACK.
Purifier still won't see play. Resiliency was never his problem.
Gravus is now where he should be. I'm fine with him.
KE Senny is now more annoying. Yay!
Boo to no Venger changes or EI changes.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 2, 2018 16:49:23 GMT
The Temple is interesting with Testament, it competes for his souls, but can bring dudes back slightly more efficiently Lets him spread out more. His soul override is only 10" if I recall correctly. So Testament can flank one way and the temple support the other. It still seems pricey though... considering I don't remember how much the blockhouse costs
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on May 2, 2018 16:50:18 GMT
The Temple is interesting with Testament, it competes for his souls, but can bring dudes back slightly more efficiently Lets him spread out more. His soul override is only 10" if I recall correctly. So Testament can flank one way and the temple support the other. It still seems pricey though... considering I don't remember how much the blockhouse costs Blockhouse is 14 as well
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Post by macdaddy on May 2, 2018 16:58:43 GMT
Temple cost seems fine. Only concern is souls collection and such. Testing it out tomorrow but I think it may need to generate its own souls somehow and be able to hold 5 instead of 3. A lot like the Sac vault.
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Post by tiberius on May 2, 2018 17:00:10 GMT
What kind of offensive support does the temple give? Weapons? Other abilities than reinforcements?
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Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on May 2, 2018 17:01:44 GMT
warcaters are getting more focused, but better at stuff they focus on. I'm mostly OK with this, except for the assassin ones. Ultra high reliability assissations you don't even have to set up (Mackay, Orion) are really bad.
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Post by streetpizza on May 2, 2018 17:05:44 GMT
So only 4 new models? That is kind of disappointing. I like the new ones and the changes they are making though. Its about time the Judicator got 10" sprays. Deffinitely where they always should have been. Feels like Judy needs one more thing to make it worth 35 but I'm not sure what that is exactly. I was thinking that if it could lay down fire walls with flamethrowers as an option or give some buff around itself to warriors or jacks ... something.
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