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Post by wasted79 on Apr 24, 2018 12:11:01 GMT
Hi guys! I'm playing home casual games with my friend once or twice a week, we just began to play again since a while (we played mostly in mk2) He play POM, i play an handful of factions but mostly Khador now. We're playing at 25 pts for quick games. He got always a hardtime with one of my list, so i tried to suggest him some jacks and units to counter me... With limited success so far lol Could you help me with a good list for him? I play: Irusk prime in armored korps Destroyer Devastator Shooktrooper +UA Battle meckanics(min unit) Mow kovnik What's bugging him it's that my shooktrooper are at ARM23 under Iron flesh and while shieldwalled With the battleplan if irusk(repo 3") and +2mov from kovnik they're moving 9" a turn Thank you for future insights
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Apr 24, 2018 12:45:08 GMT
Sevvy 2 would make them sad, Hex Blast to get rid of Iron Flesh and Rebuke to stop them Charging of Shield-Walling
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Post by macdaddy on Apr 24, 2018 12:46:35 GMT
Well part of the issue is at 25 points its going to be hard for him to deal with a bunch of arm 23 shockies and 2 Khador heavies. His best bet is exemplar interdiction. Play testament, cackle maniacally as he brings back all the people you killed, and widdle down the shockies with weapon-master charges. Or play vindictus with some knights exemplar and a couple templars and watch your shockies melt from a signs and portents weaponmaster alpha. Or be a snowflake like me a play thyra and charge in with Pow 15 signs and portents weaponmaster knights exemplar. Did I mention he should run exemplar? Sevvy 2 would make them sad, Hex Blast to get rid of Iron Flesh and Rebuke to stop them Charging of Shield-Walling It never ceases to amaze me how much work sevvy2 can do on his own.
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Post by correlion on Apr 24, 2018 14:27:46 GMT
conflictchamber.com/#c2201b_-0d1b3I24243q3t3t3B2_Protectorate Army - 25 / 75 points [Theme] The Creator's Might !!! Your army must contain at least 98 total points. (Reznik 1) High Executioner Servath Reznik [+28] - Scourge of Heresy [16] - Templar [15] - Templar [15] - Hierophant [0(3)] Vassal Mechanik [1] Vassal Mechanik [1] Wrack [1] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] conflictchamber.com/#c2201b_-0de73I24243q3t3t3B3B2_Protectorate Army - 25 / 75 points [Theme] The Creator's Might !!! Your army must contain at least 99 total points. (Reznik 2) Servath Reznik, Wrath of Ages [+29] - Scourge of Heresy [16] - Templar [15] - Templar [15] - Hierophant [0(3)] Vassal Mechanik [1] Vassal Mechanik [1] Wrack [1] Wrack [1] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Just ignore shield wall and iron flash =)
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Post by wasted79 on Apr 24, 2018 16:42:06 GMT
Good advices so far, thank you all 👍
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Post by wasted79 on Apr 24, 2018 16:45:52 GMT
What about:
Harby (creator's might)
Vanquisher Templar Revenger
Vassal Vassal (free)
Choir (min)
I made this list yesterday for him, he only own 1 copy of everything in the faction besides some solos.
She have Rebuke as Sevy2, and she have the focus to support 3 jacks.
How good (or bad)she would be over sevy2?
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Post by macdaddy on Apr 24, 2018 17:26:56 GMT
What about: Harby (creator's might) Vanquisher Templar Revenger Vassal Vassal (free) Choir (min) I made this list yesterday for him, he only own 1 copy of everything in the faction besides some solos. She have Rebuke as Sevy2, and she have the focus to support 3 jacks. How good (or bad)she would be over sevy2? How does she kill things...also...martyrdom..awe...her entire toolkit just feels wasted here. Sevvy2 offers way better support to jacks by virtue of being a personal infantry lawnmower for them. Also, hex blast + Rebuke is way better. Harby wants infantry don't play harby with all jacks.
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Post by Choco on Apr 24, 2018 17:35:52 GMT
I was actually thinking a Vanquisher or Scourge of Heresy (outside of a theme maybe?) would be great here. They both come with Thresher chain weapons to help get around those pesky shields. Maybe this: conflictchamber.com/#c2200p_-0d1b3I242d3t3z2_Protectorate Army - 25 / 25 points [Theme] The Creator's Might (Reznik 1) High Executioner Servath Reznik [+28] - Scourge of Heresy [16] - Templar [15] - Vanquisher [17] Vassal Mechanik [1] Vassal of Menoth [0(3)] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Hits hard, ignores the shields, and comes with a gun for fun? Reznik plus Choir can crank your damage up super high for one jack and if it can get that charge off against the shocktroopers, you can get that thresher in there to do some serious damage. Reznik also has lots of ways to get movements out of activation to get your jacks where they need to be before your opponent realizes what happens.
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Post by macdaddy on Apr 24, 2018 19:08:15 GMT
I was actually thinking a Vanquisher or Scourge of Heresy (outside of a theme maybe?) would be great here. They both come with Thresher chain weapons to help get around those pesky shields. Maybe this: conflictchamber.com/#c2200p_-0d1b3I242d3t3z2_Protectorate Army - 25 / 25 points [Theme] The Creator's Might (Reznik 1) High Executioner Servath Reznik [+28] - Scourge of Heresy [16] - Templar [15] - Vanquisher [17] Vassal Mechanik [1] Vassal of Menoth [0(3)] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Hits hard, ignores the shields, and comes with a gun for fun? Reznik plus Choir can crank your damage up super high for one jack and if it can get that charge off against the shocktroopers, you can get that thresher in there to do some serious damage. Reznik also has lots of ways to get movements out of activation to get your jacks where they need to be before your opponent realizes what happens. The issue you, you kill the shockies and then die to the khador jacks in retaliation.
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Post by correlion on Apr 25, 2018 6:35:50 GMT
nope, rez1 will not allow you to allocate additional focus )
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Post by macdaddy on Apr 25, 2018 11:20:50 GMT
nope, rez1 will not allow you to allocate additional focus ) And iirusk can generate rough terrain and reduce jack speed by 3. So guaranteed alpha with shockies....with battle lust....
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Post by dicebedamned on Apr 25, 2018 12:57:39 GMT
Really you should try and play at least 50 point games. WMH is balanced around the competitive standard 75pts, so the more you play over/under that value the more broken certain unit combos become.
Try playing a similar list at 75pts. Your buddy will have a much better game into your list because he will have the points to take options for delaing with both the ARM 23 infantry and the Khador jacks.
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Post by Provengreil on Apr 25, 2018 14:00:17 GMT
Exemplars are by a significant margin the right choice for theme, but....
This is literally the only scenario in which I can imagine not only wanting a vanquisher, but doing so under Amon.
Bounce a pair of dervishes off the schocktroopers, then send in the vanq to thresh their line at MAT 9 POW 22 blessed chain weapon. Add a crusader just hanging around a bit behind, and you can go 1 for 1 in heavy trades afterward.
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Post by correlion on Apr 25, 2018 14:17:33 GMT
also rez2 with Madelyn can make shockies sad =) Don't forget that they cannot charge due to flash is weak
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Post by zwergenkrieger on Apr 25, 2018 14:37:20 GMT
What about Kreoss1 pop'n'drop?
I think this might be an interesting matchup because Irusk neuters Kreoss' feat while Kreoss makes spell casting really hard. It will come down to movement and timing of feats.
If played in Exemplar interdiction your Redeemer(s) are capable of hurting the MoWs.
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