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Post by ForEver_Blight on Apr 25, 2018 20:32:39 GMT
I actually think that Vayl2 could make great use out of the Archangel. It's naturally high hitting power and gun and MASSIVE arcing base I think suit her well, plus the extra 2" to its threat can really add a lot. Given the list you posted,I would probably replace the Carny and Scythean for it (course I despise both of those beasts so... I may be biased) I'd still need to drop another 3 points somewhere. I can't put admonition or Occultation on the Archangel. But I do think BC would be fantastic. The gun and LoS could is really be useful in this over the top dedication to caster kill. But those limitations put me off from making it my first pick.
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Post by gordo on Apr 25, 2018 20:42:26 GMT
If you are looking for three points, you could probably drop the forsaken. The Archangel greatly lessens your fury load so you may be able to get by with just one forsaken and a Shepherd.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Apr 25, 2018 22:15:23 GMT
I understand.
Again, can't use 2 of the buffs on Vayl's card. I wouldn't really be putting the Seraph to any good use. The animus is not as useful as either Spiny growth or Grievous wounds. It just had too many downsides for me. I may try it out later but I want to put this through the wringer first.
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Apr 25, 2018 23:37:10 GMT
But the seraphgun does benefit well from that animus, and slipstream is still great to kiss far away, or move vayl 2" back on am incite turn.
If you still don't like that... You wouldn't be needing the boltthrower as much, so if you downgrade that to a bloodseer you can up the seraph to an angelius? Vayl, BFS and throne all love themselves a seer.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Apr 26, 2018 1:44:50 GMT
But the seraphgun does benefit well from that animus, and slipstream is still great to kiss far away, or move vayl 2" back on am incite turn. If you still don't like that... You wouldn't be needing the boltthrower as much, so if you downgrade that to a bloodseer you can up the seraph to an angelius? Vayl, BFS and throne all love themselves a seer. I believe you are thinking of Vayl 1 for incite. I'm not sure why I wouldn't need the bolt thrower. Vayl 2 has a 10" range that goes to 14 to get hits on models to turn them into arcnodes (same on both Vayl iterations.) Bloodseer does work well, yes. But I already have a metric ton of hit buffs in the list. I'm not saying they are bad ideas. Just going through my thought process is all.
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Apr 26, 2018 8:38:23 GMT
Ah yes, vayl1 doh I was thinking with two huge bases you can allready cover a lot of ground, and as such snipe isn't as big of an advantage as with heavies.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Apr 30, 2018 13:38:55 GMT
Sew...
I finally got some time to set up a game of solitaire. I do own a boat load of Cryx models from when everyone was ditching the faction (If you know anyone who wants to buy Cryx let me know).
Gaspy 3 is completely manageable UNTIL he feats. That mess is beyond bonkers. It can't be called a time walk but it's making you sign your own death certificate. Vayl2 is not the way to go...
So I switched gears and put down a caster I play very rarely. I don't think she's bad but I do avoid any "this is the only way to play this caster" types.
Enter Fyanna 2 Run-and-Gun
Legion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Oracles of Annihilation
(Fyanna 2) Fyanna, Torment of Everblight [+28] - Archangel [37] - Neraph [12] - Neraph [12] - Ravagore [16] - Ravagore [16] - Succubus [0(4)] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] The Forsaken [0(4)] The Forsaken [0(4)] Blackfrost Shard [9]
The assassination threat is still there. It's hard to outrun 17" and 20" threat guns with eyeless sight and arching fire. With the BFS and AA animus you can get some pretty good anti-armor damage levels on just the guns as well. Pow 18 d3+1 and Pow 19 on the Ravagores. I was able to put Gaspy 3 down to 2hp under his feat turn as with just two really good die rolls on fully boosted ravagore shots and the animus. (Granted I should have used the Deathripper to block Arching fire.)
The Neraphs are meant to be the first line of engagement and with Fury do quite well. The "second" line of engagement was actually Forsaken. With fury and Kiss they are hitting at pow 17 with up to 5 bought attacks. It's pretty fantastic. Ravagores get mostly respectable damage with just Fury but if the BFS have survived long enough, then all the better. Pow 19 on the AA is enough that he really doesn't even need fury.
Lastly there is the feat. It puts the Ravagores just at that point of "to boost or not to boost". The AA can't be knocked down or stationary to begin with. Then everyone knows the tilting nature of def 17, dodge, serpentine.
So all together I think it's enough for me to play effectively into reasonable high armor. The AoEs are enough to deal with sparse infantry. It's also still an ADR caster. So I'm as set as I can be.
I hate that I had to give up on Vayl 2 so quickly. But She just doesn't fit the bill at this time. But I absolutely want to get games in with her and learn someone new.
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Post by unded on May 1, 2018 8:31:08 GMT
Don't you want a Naga in there?
With so much invested in your shooting phase, it seems an unnecessary risk to be shut down by choir / windwall / armor buffs.
-und_ed
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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 1, 2018 12:16:22 GMT
In a perfect world, yes. But there's really no space. Either you take the BFS or drop them for the Naga. But considering Kiss and Cage it's kind of a lateral trade off.
Now, she is in ADR if memory serves and I can drop the AA for a Carnivean, naga, and other mess. IF I need it. But the local meta doesn't seem to have many of those problems for me to solve for. I've never played a wind wall caster at either store since MK3 launched. I think I'm the only one who owns PoM. Then the biggest armor wall I'll have to deal with is Baldur 2 WWrath if my wife decides to play it. So I should be relatively okay.
Also, my Kryssa list runs a Naga as part of the base list and I don't mind dropping her into PoM.
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Post by unded on May 2, 2018 8:26:21 GMT
That makes sense.
My regular weekly opponents are Menoth and Khador, so I’m very nervous about choir shenanigans.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 6, 2018 15:01:30 GMT
So I'm now terribly put off...
Went to get games with the guys that will be in the tournament. They had given me the impression that they would in the tournament to "have fun". They had told me about odd ball lists they wanted to run (Midas, Aurora, and some other off the wall picks). I get a game in yesterday and I have to pick from Madrac 1 Champions or Kolgrima... The CoC player is no longer running Aurora and Axis dudes. He's running Axis Dual TEP and Lucant armor/box spam. The Minions player is running Rask WWF and Maelok Posse for days. The tournament is saturday the 12th.
Everything went from, 'This should be fun". To "I never want to see these lists ever again". I got absolutely tabled by Madrac. Not entirely either lists's fault. When you miss 6 boosted 8s with two different raeks... you don't get a lot of work done. Granted when I say "tabled" I just mean I've never lost so many models so fast and the opponent just had half of his list still on the board. I won by assassination. I was also up by 3 CP and would have gotten 5 up no matter what he tried to do on his following turn. But I had Kryssa, Azrael, and Anyssa left. He still had a full unit of champs, some solos, most of the stone unit, and a storm troll. It was probably the most in control of the battlefield I'd ever felt but I just could not kill anything in a turn. Poison bow shots everywhere and yet I could not put down the stupid champs.
Frustrating to say the least.
I'm not really afraid of double TEP as both lists I'm running have a good gun presence that out threats them. Kryssa can jam him pretty well with striders turning into incubii. Azrael could almost drop one TEP on feat turn by himself. So it will work out. The problem is my biggest hatred in this game so far has been Lucant with 8hp, shield wall, recurring heavy infantry. It's just ridiculous. Then there's the 8hp, tough, recurring, unyielding, undead gators. I've no idea what I'm going to do. Without being able to take anything from the Primal terrors release I just have no clue what to do.
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Post by slaughtersun on May 7, 2018 18:53:23 GMT
Champions should die to a scythean... can you get one in your lists?
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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 7, 2018 19:02:46 GMT
Champions should die to a scythean... can you get one in your lists? It is clearly a choice for ADR now. I really think that will have to be my saving grace for both lists. [Kryssa/Fyanna]
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Post by snotling on May 7, 2018 19:03:59 GMT
Warmachine/Hordes players never "just want to have fun" Its the wrong system for that xD.
As for trolls, I have a lot of fun with Abby2 and a mist speaker against them.
Colgrimma has next to no feat aganst her, Scytheans with Abby2 handle just about anything trollst throw at you.
And with a Naga they did well into gators in past games for me too.
Regarding "good gun presence vs teps." How exactly does that work against 12 or so free shield guards and three free sac pawn targets per tep every turn?
I know we disagree on that, but for me, Kryssa is just a bad caster, that can't really stand up to the best other factions throw at you. She would be great at 35p games, but at 75p with free points, her buffs just don't compare to the army wide buffs other casters can do. She doesn't solve any problems or matchups legion faces right now, and really doesn't ask any difficult questiobs to your opponent herself.
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on May 8, 2018 6:35:57 GMT
I feel like kryssa is our swiss armyknife, because a lot of choices really like the feat, she has a solid mandatory nuke and while the rest of her spelllist isn't stellar, it's nearly allways usefull.
The problem she faces is that the game currently doesn't ask for that and other warlocks probably skew better (which is what the game is asking for atm). I feel she would be a lot more popular in a themeless environment.
On the subject of champions, typhon absolutely mauls them with his sprays and eThags has a feat to get him out of there ones he's done.
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