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Post by th3eviltwin on Apr 7, 2017 23:10:41 GMT
Is it high mid or low tear I barely got to play in Mark 2 and I preferred a gun line end tar pit approach will that still work
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Post by Swampmist on Apr 7, 2017 23:19:35 GMT
I would say that we are generally mid-high tier, with a couple of nasty tricks and a super deep stable of casters. I think our lack of tournament results comes down to few high-tier players putting PoM on the table in recent months. We don't have a JVM to make us op  / On gunline\tarpitting combo, look no further than Sevvy1. The universal turd polisher continues to polish turds, and his synergy with Eye of Truth borders on broken. Additional points if you have the Vessel, since the BE's are about to go through Community Integrated Development (CID) with buffs. |
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Post by th3eviltwin on Apr 8, 2017 2:20:01 GMT
So who are the internet Darlings of the protectorate right now?
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Post by macdaddy on Apr 8, 2017 4:44:27 GMT
So who are the internet Darlings of the protectorate right now? So unlike Mark 2 People play around quite a bit. There's the obviously powerful Sevy2, Amon and High Reclaimer, but we really do have a nice stable of casters to choose from. I personally like the aggressive playstyle of Reznick 1 and have been having moderate success with Testament. I also think Kreos 3 is pretty awesome and I know for a fact Thyra is good at dristrinuting the creators Wrath on some heretics. |
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Post by demonic on Apr 8, 2017 6:23:18 GMT
Did you forget Feora? both Feora1 and Feora2 are beasts in female form. Right now, not much can stand up to continuous fire rolls with a massive lack of fire immunity. Your average tanky tarpit infantry models have around 16 armor and a maximum of 5 boxes. A single fire roll averages out to 18-19 with a minimum of 14. Placing the HoJ near a unit on flames increases the damage roll by 2, plus Feora's bond with the HoJ makes his continuous fire sprays automatically boost to hit.
TBH, I think that the lack of endline tourney success is because there is SO much we can do that the high level Menoth players haven't been able to sit down and play a singular list against every faction, every build-type like you can with factions that are more specialized. An example, Skorne has been doing much better in tournament play than before, but not because of just the Errata. Currently the faction only has 2 tournament possible builds, the exhalted lists and Mak2 kitty lists. Though this means that everyone already knows what to expect from Skorne at tournaments, it also means that people who play those lists have played against all the other possible lists that might counter them and have figured out which of the two lists is best against which faction. "Germany did not fall because it was weak, they fell because they were strong."
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Post by Demeritus on Apr 8, 2017 6:24:19 GMT
So who are the internet Darlings of the protectorate right now? Mike Puryear is a well known competitive player who runs Menoth. John Demaris plays them a lot but I don't remember the last con he played a tournament in. |
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Post by Swampmist on Apr 8, 2017 15:11:50 GMT
demonic I'm going to resoectfully disagree. 8-boxes at arm 20 is in no way unusual at the moment with In-Theme posse and MoW. There's also more fire immunity than ever in the game, with casters like kallus2 and horgle2 laughing at any attempts to leverage fire against them. Also, even stuff like IFP can be hard to kill with fire, because cont.fire rolls happen before shield wall goes down now. Anddon't even get me started on tge prevalence of jack/beast spam, which won't be phased by a pow12. Feora2 continues to be one of our 2 worst casters in competitive metas, because she can't crack armor (any better than we do normally, anyway,) has no hit buff, and is beaten on "effectiveness of assassination" by thyra and Feora3.
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Post by demonic on Apr 8, 2017 18:40:55 GMT
mm, although I use Feora 2, I've been thinking of switching to Feora1 for several reasons. Also, forcing opponents into playing specific casters against Menoth makes it easier to make your second list a counter to those very casters. It's true that shield wall can be a Female Dog, but when you are rolling it against 6-10 units, you will generally score an above average roll a few times every turn.
Ignoring Khador, there is no faction (other than our own) who can beast spam a fire focus list safely. With heavies almost always maxing out at 19 armor, it's an easy nickel and dime death. You have to remember, even in fire focused lists, you are not only using fire based units. You are also using models with the punching power to disable the enemy's beef sticks after they've already been wounded. This is one of the things I meant when I said that we have too many options. Simply because you, personally, have better luck with other casters doesn't make a specific caster bad; it means your tactics are not optimal for that specific caster. Menoth has so many casters with so many play styles that it's difficult to use every one enough times to truly find out if there may be a place that they can excel at.
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Post by teawithdice on Apr 9, 2017 5:10:40 GMT
Secretly very healthy. With recent additions like the Eye of Truth and the Knights Exemplar Officer we have some powerhouse options but not a lot of buzz going around. And even less so now that the forums are gone, for the Protectorate particularly I would say. The Facebook page isn't useful for list discussions and the mostly inactive reddit community has the 3rd smallest faction subreddit with Retribution and Convergance being smaller.
Sevy2 is gold. Feora3 is the new hotness but needs the right support. Sevy1 and Kreoss1 are the solid point and click casters they have always been. Personally, I have really high hopes for Kreoss3 and Vindictus. Amon with The Creator's Might theme list is awesome. I saw at least 4 lists with it at the Seattle Open. The meta up here really pushes spam lists which personally I'm not a fan of but they work.
The Exemplar theme list is probably coming which will only make the great synergy that they have better. (Here's looking at you Kreoss2 and Gravus)
Protectorate has SO MANY OPTIONS that are just fun to play with. I'm having a hell of a time finding a pairing I can settle with for Lock and Load.
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Post by Scrub_of_Menoth on Apr 10, 2017 2:50:05 GMT
Protectorate has SO MANY OPTIONS that are just fun to play with. I'm having a hell of a time finding a pairing I can settle with for Lock and Load. I just realize that this fact might be why we really don't have that silver bullet that make people cry OP (other than HR pre-nerf). We have so many good choices that the general PoM playerbase seem to not be able to agree on a single build that kicks all the ass since everyone is trying out different things and finding success with them |
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Post by moquan on Apr 10, 2017 16:48:56 GMT
We are not top tier because it is very difficult for us, in a 2 list pairing, to cover everything including stupid stuff like Haley2.
I have given up on it and have started playing Sevy2 and Kreoss3, both as allround lists. This gives me 2 playstyles, different armies with pro-active casters and I'll see where it gets me.
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Post by macdaddy on Apr 10, 2017 19:31:36 GMT
We are not top tier because it is very difficult for us, in a 2 list pairing, to cover everything including stupid stuff like Haley2. I have given up on it and have started playing Sevy2 and Kreoss3, both as allround lists. This gives me 2 playstyles, different armies with pro-active casters and I'll see where it gets me. I tend to find Haley 2 significantly less obnoxious and stupid than other casters in the game. Her feat is still a big middle finger but She is not nearly the beast she was before. Im more in agreement with the opinion "have a lot of diversity in our options" Its what makes list building hard as we don't have these big obvious optimized combos like other factions do (read storm lances, Ferox) My problem is never with how strong the faction feels, its putting a list together that I think is the best it can get, I always feel like my lists could have substituted models lol. It took me about all of MK3 to finally get a Reznick 1 list I am fully in support of and Im still tinkering with it |
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Post by moquan on Apr 11, 2017 14:11:37 GMT
We are not top tier because it is very difficult for us, in a 2 list pairing, to cover everything including stupid stuff like Haley2. I have given up on it and have started playing Sevy2 and Kreoss3, both as allround lists. This gives me 2 playstyles, different armies with pro-active casters and I'll see where it gets me. I tend to find Haley 2 significantly less obnoxious and stupid than other casters in the game. Her feat is still a big middle finger but She is not nearly the beast she was before. Im more in agreement with the opinion "have a lot of diversity in our options" Its what makes list building hard as we don't have these big obvious optimized combos like other factions do (read storm lances, Ferox) My problem is never with how strong the faction feels, its putting a list together that I think is the best it can get, I always feel like my lists could have substituted models lol. It took me about all of MK3 to finally get a Reznick 1 list I am fully in support of and Im still tinkering with it Please enlighten myself and the rest of us on your approach to this, apparently PoM specific, 'headache'. |
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Post by demonic on Apr 11, 2017 15:16:27 GMT
x.O; sorry Moquan, but macdaddy never once used the word "headache." macdaddy also listed more than 1 issue and, thus, your comment would be more of a headache than what he said. I'm pretty sure, like the rest of us, that we require you to go into detail about exactly what "headache" your speaking of.
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Post by Provengreil on Apr 15, 2017 0:07:35 GMT
To be perfectly honest, it's far easier to list our fail units than good ones. Pretty much everything is actually quite solid(given, of course, that you and/or your meta value what that unit brings). We can always discuss whether something is or isn't quite worth its points, but there's a reason the only change was High Reclaimer.
Since I mentioned it, here are our flop units:
Zealots*
Castigators*
Errants*
Knight Exemplar Seneschal**
Bastions
Paladins*
Vanquisher*
Avatar*
*Not actually a flop
**New theme might change this
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