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Post by Aegis on Apr 13, 2018 16:23:04 GMT
She seems much more powerful than before, being an universal hit fixer (a thing that crix seems to need a lot more than ARM fixers).
She is also more a personal threat with venom...
What do you think?
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Post by darkshroud on Apr 13, 2018 16:33:38 GMT
She seems much more powerful than before, being an universal hit fixer (a thing that crix seems to need a lot more than ARM fixers). She is also more a personal threat with venom... What do you think? a warwitch siren can cast venom at magic ability 6. has mat 6 p/s 11 can even pass out a focus. either denny0 is super underwhelming or a wws is super op. the 2 lists she can be taken in, IM and BI. bi doesnt need help hitting. would actually like aiakos better bc speed buff. so we get a junior that is worse than a WWS and really only wants to be taken in one list. cool
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ikazuyr
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Post by ikazuyr on Apr 13, 2018 17:26:35 GMT
Add in the fact that anything that we want to hit with a DEF debuff is likely to be difficult to hit with FOCUS 4. I actually liked the parasite bot version better. Venom is unlikely to hit anything without boosting, and you can only boost 2 attacks under the spray template. I really feel like a journeyman warcaster doesn't want offensive spells in order to be compelling.
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Post by darkshroud on Apr 13, 2018 17:31:18 GMT
So, get rid of her spell list and give her special action spells
Magic ability 6
Keep her 4 focus but dont give her spells to cast from it.
She can cast one a turn and boost whatever she wants.
Edit: she cant use nodes with special action spells, right?
So nevermind...
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Post by grotsnik on Apr 13, 2018 18:20:10 GMT
Dj casting 2 venoms at magic ability 7?
Now seriously, IM has trouble hitting so a -2def may not be that bad there, and hitting def 14 with a boosted attack has slightly more than 50% chances of hitting. I dont know if she is that bad, and dont know which of the 2 versions I like better, but she is still a lot worse that the other 3 casters...
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Post by voidsun on Apr 13, 2018 21:11:37 GMT
I notice that unlike the other jrs, who can support/ do something every turn, she can maybe have a chance to do work some of the time... seems poopy... I mean we're not asking for her to debuff the world but it'd be nice to have something consistent at least
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Post by wseraphim on Apr 13, 2018 21:12:13 GMT
I just hope they will give her Ghost Walk and forget to cut it off
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Deller
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Post by Deller on Apr 13, 2018 23:36:05 GMT
This version is trash. It’s a shame all the people whining over Parasite has resulted in an equally boring to play model that’s dogshit as opposed to a boring to play model that has a great role with many casters.
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Post by grotsnik on Apr 14, 2018 0:56:40 GMT
I just dont understand what the F**k do devs have in their heads, all other models can be taken for free (I think) and all have awesome auras and buffs, whats left for denny? The worst damage output of all 4, cant be taken for free, needs a 6pt model to even "work" and all her offensive spells cant even hit, seriously, wtf?
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Post by tiberius on Apr 15, 2018 10:02:01 GMT
I agree, she needs at least one non-offensive spell. With stealth and parry, I don't care if she has an aura or not. I would like to see her base offensive stats equal to a war witch, but all they did was trade strength and MAT with ARM and DEF. Denny is harder to hit and kill. I was fine with parasite, but that was all she could do, now she is just marked for Death, and its the same play and pretty much the same benefit. In IM, the thralls appreciate the hit buff, mechanithralls at MAT 5 really appreciate it. But they tend to be sent after heavies for me, so the parasite was still better. Black Industries didn't need parasite, and I could see a leviathan gun line wanting marked for death available.
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Post by Hashmal on Apr 15, 2018 21:22:24 GMT
Dj casting 2 venoms at magic ability 7? Now seriously, IM has trouble hitting so a -2def may not be that bad there, and hitting def 14 with a boosted attack has slightly more than 50% chances of hitting. I dont know if she is that bad, and dont know which of the 2 versions I like better, but she is still a lot worse that the other 3 casters... I think the more appropriate way to look at is that she has a slightly worse than 50% chance of doing nothing and then sacrificing her arc node, and possibly herself. At least the Parasite version was roughly reliable into the targets you want that spell on.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Apr 16, 2018 10:22:19 GMT
The issue probably stems from the fact that Cryx is a 'de-buff' centric faction, rather than a 'buff' faction. With low focus stats, any Junior with an offensive spell will never want to cast it, as the odds are so bad, so most of them have buffs instead.
However Cryx is the 'de-buff' faction, and Denny in particular in all of her incarnations is focused on de-buffs, so the Devs do not want to go against the grain of Cryx and Denny and give her a buff, so she is stuck trying to sling spells with a focus stat of 4. They have kinda designed themselves into a corner with this one, maybe a better choice would have been to choose a different caster for the anniversary model.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Apr 16, 2018 11:03:49 GMT
The issue probably stems from the fact that Cryx is a 'de-buff' centric faction, rather than a 'buff' faction. With low focus stats, any Junior with an offensive spell will never want to cast it, as the odds are so bad, so most of them have buffs instead. However Cryx is the 'de-buff' faction, and Denny in particular in all of her incarnations is focused on de-buffs, so the Devs do not want to go against the grain of Cryx and Denny and give her a buff, so she is stuck trying to sling spells with a focus stat of 4. They have kinda designed themselves into a corner with this one, maybe a better choice would have been to choose a different caster for the anniversary model. Or just give her Ghost Walk and Venom. She will basically be a Skarlock with better utility and won't feel forced to take just an arc node.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Apr 16, 2018 11:50:08 GMT
The issue probably stems from the fact that Cryx is a 'de-buff' centric faction, rather than a 'buff' faction. With low focus stats, any Junior with an offensive spell will never want to cast it, as the odds are so bad, so most of them have buffs instead. However Cryx is the 'de-buff' faction, and Denny in particular in all of her incarnations is focused on de-buffs, so the Devs do not want to go against the grain of Cryx and Denny and give her a buff, so she is stuck trying to sling spells with a focus stat of 4. They have kinda designed themselves into a corner with this one, maybe a better choice would have been to choose a different caster for the anniversary model. Or just give her Ghost Walk and Venom. She will basically be a Skarlock with better utility and won't feel forced to take just an arc node. They could, but I think the Devs are set on her having a de-buff of some sort, as it is thematic for Cryx and her in particular
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Post by tiberius on Apr 16, 2018 12:17:48 GMT
Design intent is fine, and I understand what they are trying to do and I think their first incarnation of deneghra hit the flavor button well. The second version, while similar, probably not as much. Functionality wise, she will see less play because of the mechanics of how her offensive debuffs will have to be applied and their intended targets. Parasite on a stick would have saw more play than marked for death on a stick. As far as focus battery goes, Aiakos is the same thing. So other than with Captain Aiakos, Aiakos1 is probably a better choice of a journeyman warcaster for Cryx from a functionality standpoint unless you are going for a specific skew or trying to answer a specific question and are willing to drop the additional points on the support package.
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