crow
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Post by crow on Apr 6, 2018 2:44:24 GMT
Incorrect. Both epic warcasters have their prime iterations in Mercenaries. Only the Legendary has their prime incarnation in another faction. Not my terms, those are the ones used by PP. Right, it's not like people can't take the gun bunnies because there aren't any Rhulic Jack Marshals out there. Oh, wait. Durgen would make more sense then Ossrum, just like Ashlynn and Macbain would make more sense than Damiano. Ossrum is just too new. Right, because MacBain0 doesn't make any sense, now does it? He isn't iconic at all, nor would immediately allow him to be Crosse2's journeyman in the Llaese Resistance. 1. you still get the jist of what I'm going for, and are just splitting hairs at that point. 2. Fang was right, as if you read the whole comment (unless english isn't your main language (which I realize is a possibility)) I HEAVILY almost without doubt imply the implications of a BATTLE GROUP controller having the ability to take gun bunnies. 3. I only mentioned Ossrum because he already has a title, and making a Captain, or Private Ossrum, seems pretty straightforward as opposed to... Miner Gorten? I mean... besides the obvious jokes about Gorten being a child, and short jokes and the what not... doesn't really sound all that great, or at least not as good as Captain or Private Ossrum. I do agree that Durgen might be the better option for the naming option. 4. MacBain could be an option, but when the contracts were around Ashlyn was kinda the poster child for the Highborn Contract, Magnus for Four Star, Shae of Talion, Gorten (until Ossrum came around) for Searforge, and Thexus for Operating Theatre. The others are still good casters, but I feel like most material relating to those contracts was represented by the casters mentioned respectively. Although Contracts are no longer a thing, there is still a loose adherence, thanks to themes, to the old contracts (generally speaking lest you decide to split hairs again). As such I feel if they were going to choose an "recognizable" mercenary caster they would choose one of those. Talion was / is a smaller merc subsection, same with Cephalyx, and same with Rhulic. We already had discussed Magnus, which leaves Ashlyn. I may be wrong, but regardless there is no need to be snarky just because my thought process is undesirable to you, or you're not in agreeance with what I've said since reading the thread though, I also could see Shae0 being a thing since the Pirate CID is just around the corner as Xintas pointed out. Though Shae is still on his first incarnation :/ soooo... not sure as he doesn't seem to follow suit with the rest of "0" journeymen being a multi incarnation caster.
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Post by Charistoph on Apr 6, 2018 5:24:28 GMT
1. you still get the jist of what I'm going for, and are just splitting hairs at that point. Proper communication leads to proper understanding. Use the right words to avoid confusions. You still left one out. 2. Fang was right, as if you read the whole comment (unless english isn't your main language (which I realize is a possibility)) I HEAVILY almost without doubt imply the implications of a BATTLE GROUP controller having the ability to take gun bunnies. Proper communication leads to proper understanding. You may have wanted it implied, but not everyone would understand that. English is my first language, but I've also trained as a computer programmer and IT where proper terminology is more important than in law. As I said, I am not a mind reader, and can only go by what you wrote. And you only wrote about the Jacks themselves, not Jacks in a battlegroup. 3. I only mentioned Ossrum because he already has a title, and making a Captain, or Private Ossrum, seems pretty straightforward as opposed to... Miner Gorten? I mean... besides the obvious jokes about Gorten being a child, and short jokes and the what not... doesn't really sound all that great, or at least not as good as Captain or Private Ossrum. I do agree that Durgen might be the better option for the naming option. Agreed. I am not saying it would be a bad idea, I just would not get my hopes up on the newest Rhulic Warcaster getting a Journeyman before the original Rhulic Warcaster or the mad bomber, any more than I would expect to see Damiano. So far, the ones they have introduced have been Prime Warcasters, which leaves the latest ones low on the totem pole. As far as I know they haven't announced this to be a hard rule, though, so anything can happen. 4. MacBain could be an option, but when the contracts were around Ashlyn was kinda the poster child for the Highborn Contract, Magnus for Four Star, Shae of Talion, Gorten (until Ossrum came around) for Searforge, and Thexus for Operating Theatre. The others are still good casters, but I feel like most material relating to those contracts was represented by the casters mentioned respectively. Although Contracts are no longer a thing, there is still a loose adherence, thanks to themes, to the old contracts (generally speaking lest you decide to split hairs again). As such I feel if they were going to choose an "recognizable" mercenary caster they would choose one of those. Talion was / is a smaller merc subsection, same with Cephalyx, and same with Rhulic. We already had discussed Magnus, which leaves Ashlyn. I may be wrong, but regardless there is no need to be snarky just because my thought process is undesirable to you, or you're not in agreeance with what I've said since reading the thread though, I also could see Shae0 being a thing since the Pirate CID is just around the corner as Xintas pointed out. Though Shae is still on his first incarnation :/ soooo... not sure as he doesn't seem to follow suit with the rest of "0" journeymen being a multi incarnation caster. Yeah, about anyone but Magnus and Ashlynn could easily be possible as the first so long as we ignore introduction date. The only reason Magnus is out is because it would require some interesting backstory to keep him as a Merc, and he would be Partisan: Cygnar as well (there are far too many of those around). The reason I don't think we'll see Ashlynn is largely because the only Merc Journeyman is already Llaelese, and it would be very odd to see Ashlynn0 with Cross2 (though Sevy0 with Feora3 raises eyebrows, too) as well as overbearing on the Resistance's theme. Honsetly, though, I don't think the Gun Bunny situation isn't as dire as you make it out, so it would make the Rhulics the best option for the first largely because of their lack of journeymen. The alternative is Cephalyx, and it would just be better to give them a brand new character for that spot then limit its use to literally one Warcaster.
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Choco
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Post by Choco on Apr 6, 2018 15:36:51 GMT
That's a lot of text in the last like 10 posts. So I will be short and point something out:
Janissa Stonetide (Trolls) used to have Rock Wall back in the day, but now has the hill spell. She also has Tectonic Shift. She is almost a Gorten0 on her own. We could use her as a template for a Gorten0.
Imagine having Rock Wall and Tectonic Shift on a focus 3 or 4 junior, with Steady and maybe blast immunity. Seems solid enough.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Apr 6, 2018 16:42:23 GMT
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tanan
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Post by tanan on Apr 6, 2018 17:05:17 GMT
"Dwarf0" with 3 focus actually doesn't sound so terrible so long as he gets a decent 2 cost and a good upkeep. Focus 3? I predict that Gorten0 has focus 2. And rock wall.
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Post by sgregorbmmd on Apr 7, 2018 12:34:15 GMT
I do t see Mercs getting anybody. If we do, it’s gonna be Magnus0 and he’ll work for Cygnar.
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Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Apr 9, 2018 13:41:07 GMT
That's a lot of text in the last like 10 posts. So I will be short and point something out: Janissa Stonetide (Trolls) used to have Rock Wall back in the day, but now has the hill spell. She also has Tectonic Shift. She is almost a Gorten0 on her own. We could use her as a template for a Gorten0. Imagine having Rock Wall and Tectonic Shift on a focus 3 or 4 junior, with Steady and maybe blast immunity. Seems solid enough. This makes a lot of sense. I don't think it will happen due to gun bunny spam, but if there was something to avoid it (maybe a rule that he can only take heavies?), it would likely look a look like that.
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Post by fallenexile on Apr 9, 2018 16:03:53 GMT
I don't think it will happen due to gun bunny spam, but if there was something to avoid it (maybe a rule that he can only take heavies?), it would likely look a look like that. Being Focus 3 would mean a 6" radius. Jamming more than 3 bunnies into that will be difficult. Being speed 4 will also mean that he's getting to the fight a little later than the rest of the (non rhulic) army. And, since he's a merc, just restrict who he'll work for. Also remember that bunnies are 6 points each and won't be free. So, 4 points for Dorf0 and you have a max of 11 bunnies if you want absolutely nothing else in your army. But then were back to being limited by control range.
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Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Apr 9, 2018 18:16:26 GMT
Sure, but wall on a stick + super solo + a few bunnies is worth it in a TON of gunline style armies. I understand what you're saying, but it limits #designspace.
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Post by Charistoph on Apr 9, 2018 19:16:29 GMT
I don't think it will happen due to gun bunny spam, but if there was something to avoid it (maybe a rule that he can only take heavies?), it would likely look a look like that. Being Focus 3 would mean a 6" radius. Jamming more than 3 bunnies into that will be difficult. Being speed 4 will also mean that he's getting to the fight a little later than the rest of the (non rhulic) army. And, since he's a merc, just restrict who he'll work for. Also remember that bunnies are 6 points each and won't be free. So, 4 points for Dorf0 and you have a max of 11 bunnies if you want absolutely nothing else in your army. But then were back to being limited by control range. Add on to the fact that few Themes beyond Irregulars would like to see them (and those Themes can be easily updated or avoided with proper Merc listing), and you can find that Gun Bunny spam is already in place about or in Themeless games.
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mogbain
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Post by mogbain on Sept 25, 2018 10:49:55 GMT
I want Macbain 0 and I want him to keep counter measures.
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psyllus
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Post by psyllus on Sept 25, 2018 23:00:02 GMT
I want Macbain 0 and I want him to keep counter measures. Kayazy Assassins under Gorten's Solid Ground with Counter Measures? Yes please!
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Post by anderfreak on Oct 17, 2018 22:17:38 GMT
Lets all compromise and say Thexus0 so that no one is happy =P
But no, I'd take any of them really. Heck, I'd take something like Gorman0 if it was interesting enough, especially since it'd be another solo for Llael.
EDIT: OH! Sam Machorne0 pre-devildogs!
EDIT 2: unrelated note, I want Grymkin's 0 to be either The Child0 (AKA the toddler) or Old Witch 0 where she's still an old crone hangin' out with menoth in pre-creation.
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