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Post by LoS Jaden on May 1, 2017 19:09:06 GMT
The solution to clams I think will be medium based infantry. You jam the clam with a model or two that it can't trample over and make use attacks to open up. After that its only arm 17 and ready for some hurt. I really think that the devourer's host and the wolf sworn themes will be our keys to unlocking the Khador match up. The Clams all have bulldoze - this probably isn't going to work.
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Post by jisidro on May 2, 2017 9:44:48 GMT
I think you are overselling Loki, not because he isn't great for us but because playing him means not playing in themes (Tanith as the exception), he is good but playing 10-20 pts down is baaaad. It means the trade we "cheat" away just achieves point parity.
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Post by Lord_Randall on May 2, 2017 11:33:50 GMT
I think you are overselling Loki, not because he isn't great for us but because playing him means not playing in themes (Tanith as the exception), he is good but playing 10-20 pts down is baaaad. It means the trade we "cheat" away just achieves point parity. Aniway is difficult for circle to play an armor cracking list in theme. The 15-20 points disavantage is going to stick around.
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Post by Dev Null on May 2, 2017 16:21:29 GMT
Interesting point though. Tanith is already a pretty decent caster. Does this up her stock significantly, just because she can take Loki in theme?
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Post by macdaddy on May 2, 2017 16:55:45 GMT
Interesting point though. Tanith is already a pretty decent caster. Does this up her stock significantly, just because she can take Loki in theme? I would say Tanith is just Great in general. She has a lot of ways to help us play guerilla style attrition. She plays all the themes well. (Particularly Wild hunt) and she can crack Arm, Defense, and control the board through rift, Roots of shadow (all those medium based infantry will cry) and her general threat for assasination with her Feat. Honestly my go to all out let's win this event pair would be Tanith and Baldur 2, but I like Mohsar too much Loki is just icing on her already wonderfully layered cake... that sounded less weird in my head. I think the combo is just fantastic.
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Post by LoS Jaden on May 2, 2017 22:38:31 GMT
I think you are overselling Loki, not because he isn't great for us but because playing him means not playing in themes (Tanith as the exception), he is good but playing 10-20 pts down is baaaad. It means the trade we "cheat" away just achieves point parity. Our themes aren't the massive advantage that many other factions themes are - not playing in theme and getting Loki, for me, is almost always going to be worth it outside of certain casters.
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Post by ispyypsi on May 3, 2017 6:04:50 GMT
The solution to clams I think will be medium based infantry. You jam the clam with a model or two that it can't trample over and make use attacks to open up. After that its only arm 17 and ready for some hurt. I really think that the devourer's host and the wolf sworn themes will be our keys to unlocking the Khador match up. The Clams all have bulldoze - this probably isn't going to work. Kormac1 has that +2 armor can't be pushed doesn't he? I mean skinwalkers with some stones behind blocking the push back and healing is pretty good too.
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Post by streetpizza on May 3, 2017 12:46:20 GMT
Putting a model directly in the lane is also going to stop bulldoze as its only a 2" push.
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Post by jisidro on May 3, 2017 12:56:03 GMT
I think you are overselling Loki, not because he isn't great for us but because playing him means not playing in themes (Tanith as the exception), he is good but playing 10-20 pts down is baaaad. It means the trade we "cheat" away just achieves point parity. Our themes aren't the massive advantage that many other factions themes are - not playing in theme and getting Loki, for me, is almost always going to be worth it outside of certain casters.
That's my point, we don't have the massive advantage in themes... can we play points down? I tend to think we can't. Lots of themes rely on cheap jacks/beasts with free support. We can't compete with that.
I bet Amon rolls over circle by spamming any light whatsoever. Even Baldur2 who is likely to end up as keepsake...
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Post by macdaddy on May 3, 2017 13:09:26 GMT
Actually Baldur 2 in Bones can work pretty well against amon. Rock wall means that he wont be able to get to the models you want as he only has 1" reach at best and if you limit how many dervishes come in at a time you can feasibly out attrition him. Dervishes are also easy to kill so most of our wolds being pillow fisted isn't as much of a hindrance. wold guardians wreck dervishes IME I agree about the themes though. Playing points down from everyone else sucks and our themes compared to other themes are just not nearly at the same level. The khador match up is a lot harder now for my Moh list (for SR2016 its not in theme) because they get free repair dudes and my whole original strategy was cripple all the systems and finish off the crippled jacks. Now that mechanicks are everywhere it becomes harder. Which is why I'm experimenting with Mohsar in a BoO gunline with a wold wrath to see how that fares (probably taking it to a tourney this weekend) the idea is the AOE 5 lightning storm makes it hard for them to get to the jack(s) you crippled and repair them. It probably wont work but Ill never know till I try
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Post by sirk on May 6, 2017 0:40:26 GMT
Playing in theme means not only missing Loki but 2 times in 3 also missing sentry stones and wayfarers, who are key pieces in many of our optimal builds. Bones is a decent theme, but even there we get at most 10-11 pts (far from 20 anyway). Themes have been quite disappointing. I really hoped they would have provided different FA and additional rules (maybe even bonus and malus to balance out) and less plain free points.
About Baldur2 against Amon, yes, he can play the match quite efficently. I used a couple of times the 2xwrath+megalith with quite good results.
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Post by LoS Jaden on May 7, 2017 6:26:36 GMT
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Post by LoS Jaden on May 7, 2017 7:48:37 GMT
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Post by macdaddy on May 7, 2017 16:41:47 GMT
Yes! Embrace the Mohsar side! I've been running him in Bones of Orboros lateley but really want to experiment with him in the Wild hunt theme. So far a Woldwrath and the fulcrum really help his focus efficiency (read: more pillars) and the list hits like a truck. I sacrifice using Sands of fate for a more grindy approach but that's mostly because SR2017 has absolutely no scenario pressure whatsoever until late game I hilariously just won a local tourney (about 20 players) using only construct beasts and the bones theme (SR2016) it is really surprisingly effective
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Post by LoS Jaden on May 8, 2017 7:13:49 GMT
Yes! Embrace the Mohsar side! I've been running him in Bones of Orboros lateley but really want to experiment with him in the Wild hunt theme. So far a Woldwrath and the fulcrum really help his focus efficiency (read: more pillars) and the list hits like a truck. I sacrifice using Sands of fate for a more grindy approach but that's mostly because SR2017 has absolutely no scenario pressure whatsoever until late game I hilariously just won a local tourney (about 20 players) using only construct beasts and the bones theme (SR2016) it is really surprisingly effective What was your pairing? Baldur 2 and Mohsar? I must see lists please Remember those Aspect tokens that I painted up? At the time, I got a ton of people asking for a step-by-step tutorial. I took the pictures.....but I forgot about them until today, so here it is, two months late, my guide to painting Broken Egg Games' Aspect Tokens. druidsdice.blogspot.com/2017/05/hobby-time-painting-aspect-markers.html
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