flogger
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Post by flogger on Mar 26, 2018 20:12:22 GMT
Hey!
New to Legion, so far I’ve just slaughtered them, mohaha! until Abby2 came in and ruined everything...so I figured...if you can’t beat ‘em...right?
I purchased a rather large (400p) army with almost all warlocks and when I started reading up on them Rhyas1 really stood out. She seems like nothing I’ve played in my other factions (minions, trolls and Grymkin) and she just seems like a really fun warlock with a serious assassination threat.
So I’m asking for thoughts regarding this warlock.
Do you play her at all? Which theme do you prefer? Lists? Tactics for using her?
My first thought is something like this:
Theme: Ravens of War 1 / 1 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Rhyas, Sigil of Everblight - WB: +30 - Angelius - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 17) - Angelius - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13) - Naga Nightlurker - PC: 8 - Zuriel - PC: 18 - Seraph - PC: 14
Spell Martyr - PC: 1 The Forsaken - PC: 0
Blighted Nyss Raptors - Leader & 4 Grunts: 18 Hellmouth - Hellmouth & 3 Tentacles: 6 Hellmouth - Hellmouth & 3 Tentacles: 6
Cheers people!
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thelat
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Post by thelat on Mar 26, 2018 20:26:18 GMT
Rhyas is great, but very punishing if you make a mistake. I used to run her with this list with a lot of success. However, Primal Terrors landed and I am not yet sure of how to fill the 9 points.
Legion of Everblight - Rhyas (anti-armor)
Theme: No Theme Selected 66 / 75 Army
Rhyas, Sigil of Everblight - WB: +30 - Blightbringer - PC: 32 (Battlegroup Points Used: 30) - Naga Nightlurker - PC: 8
Warmonger War Chief - PC: 5 Blackfrost Shard - Sevryn, Rhylyss & Vysarr: 9 Blighted Ogrun Warspears - Leader & 4 Grunts: 15 - Warspear Chieftain - PC: 5 Strider Scouts - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9 Blighted Ogrun Warmongers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 13
Playing this list is all about threat saturation. You have to be attacking with your whole army all at once, and it's all about getting into a situation where Rhyas starts her turn 12" from the enemy caster. Between the Shard and the Blightbringer, armor cracking should be no trouble. Remember, just one application of the Blightbringer and Rhyas hits as hard as the Butcher. Feat + Warmongers is surprisingly devastating. Feat in general adds for some terrifying placement shenanigans. I would have dearly loved to include a Seraph, but the list fits together too perfectly for that to be added.
A final note: Don't fish for criticals. Celebrate when they happen, but if your tactics depend on them happening, it's not going to work out.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Mar 26, 2018 20:37:19 GMT
Rhyas is very capable.
I will shortly voice my negative view - She is very one dimensional. She does one thing really well. But nothing more complex. Legion to me survives on a complex tool box full of options.
Rhyas out of theme can be stupid. Fyanna 1, Proteus, and the Throne can really abuse the feat placement affect. However everyone knows just how contrived theme vs. non-theme arguments get.
So, in theme:
CotD Nyss Warlords can solo kill a Cryx heavy under feat turn. Legionnaires get to charge wildly then teleport behind the target in B2B for wall of steel Raptors with dash, feat teleport, and repo 5" can just cover sooooo much distance Black Frost Shard and HexHunters can get 2 swings under feat to kill and trigger battle wizard
Anything Blightwasps can be hilarious teleporting under feat to extend the killing spree animus
Primal Terrors Warmongers can hit and teleport to try and get more berserk targets Chosen get to be scarier version of the Raptors Dash really helps the infantry ogrun
Ravens just...no
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Post by cainuslupus on Mar 27, 2018 0:03:41 GMT
Hey! New to Legion, so far I’ve just slaughtered them, mohaha! until Abby2 came in and ruined everything...so I figured...if you can’t beat ‘em...right? I purchased a rather large (400p) army with almost all warlocks and when I started reading up on them Rhyas1 really stood out. She seems like nothing I’ve played in my other factions (minions, trolls and Grymkin) and she just seems like a really fun warlock with a serious assassination threat. So I’m asking for thoughts regarding this warlock. Do you play her at all? Which theme do you prefer? Lists? Tactics for using her? My first thought is something like this: Theme: Ravens of War 1 / 1 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Rhyas, Sigil of Everblight - WB: +30 - Angelius - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 17) - Angelius - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13) - Naga Nightlurker - PC: 8 - Zuriel - PC: 18 - Seraph - PC: 14 Spell Martyr - PC: 1 The Forsaken - PC: 0 Blighted Nyss Raptors - Leader & 4 Grunts: 18 Hellmouth - Hellmouth & 3 Tentacles: 6 Hellmouth - Hellmouth & 3 Tentacles: 6 Cheers people! Playing her in Raves seems big waste. Not much unique stuff synergizing well with her. She loves Thrones. They benefit from teleport rule and have abusive threat range. You charge 12", then place b2b with target and threaten base size + 4". She likes Scytheans. Her main trick is it's very hard to predict her assassination vectors.
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Post by voidbender on Mar 27, 2018 1:33:20 GMT
I'm a little surprised to hear about her and ravens even though there isn't much in there to abuse her feat. The idea of speed 8 flying infantry with parry has long appealed to me, but I've yet to put it on the table.
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Mar 27, 2018 7:54:01 GMT
Legion of Everblight - Rhyas (anti-armor) Theme: No Theme Selected 66 / 75 Army Rhyas, Sigil of Everblight - WB: +30 - Blightbringer - PC: 32 (Battlegroup Points Used: 30) - Naga Nightlurker - PC: 8 Warmonger War Chief - PC: 5 Blackfrost Shard - Sevryn, Rhylyss & Vysarr: 9 Blighted Ogrun Warspears - Leader & 4 Grunts: 15 - Warspear Chieftain - PC: 5 Strider Scouts - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9 Blighted Ogrun Warmongers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 13 Do you have a specific goal for the scouts? With 9points left you could up them to raptors (to stay with your theme and project threat really precisely) or Golab (which is just great for her). If you do need them scouts, probably give them the UA and add a nyss warlord to run with Rhyas?
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Post by redcathal on Mar 27, 2018 10:23:12 GMT
Yes decapitating casters is hilarious, if you're playing for fun I highly recommend the out of theme proteus,fyanna1 and throne suggestion cos the feat plus 4 inch reach is insanity. Can be done to a lesser extent with thrones and scytheans in Oracles too.
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Post by yourmumrang on Mar 27, 2018 10:30:58 GMT
How has nobody mentioned Oracles with her?
I took a double Throne list to a UKISS qualifier and it performed well. It's an oddly good Khador answer as their caster is often the weak link.
I even got Karchev when he found himself surrounded by Zuriel, Proteus and two Thrones who jumped over his jacks and ate him.
If I was playing her I would look at...
Rhyas1 Blightbringer Seraph Naga Throne x2 Shepherd x3 Hellion x2 Ice Witches Blackfrost Shard
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flogger
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Post by flogger on Mar 27, 2018 15:55:09 GMT
How has nobody mentioned Oracles with her? I took a double Throne list to a UKISS qualifier and it performed well. It's an oddly good Khador answer as their caster is often the weak link. I even got Karchev when he found himself surrounded by Zuriel, Proteus and two Thrones who jumped over his jacks and ate him. If I was playing her I would look at... Rhyas1 Blightbringer Seraph Naga Throne x2 Shepherd x3 Hellion x2 Ice Witches Blackfrost Shard I've been attracted by the idea of dual thrones (two are on their way) with Rhyas mainly because of the absurd threat, I mean 5+3+4+30/40/50/120mm+120mm+4 is quite far indeed, also nice to have one with stealth and keep Rhyas behind it, she can charge through it anyway. Awesome to see so many replies in less than a day! Thanks people!
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Post by rivers on Mar 27, 2018 16:43:45 GMT
If you hide Rhyas behind a stealthed battle engine, anything that doesn't ignore stealth will actually see right through it, so make sure you hide her behind the OTHER one if you plan on not having her shot to pieces. If they do ignore stealth through whatever reason (rules, getting within 5", etc), it will block LOS again.
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flogger
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Post by flogger on Mar 27, 2018 20:15:09 GMT
If you hide Rhyas behind a stealthed battle engine, anything that doesn't ignore stealth will actually see right through it, so make sure you hide her behind the OTHER one if you plan on not having her shot to pieces. If they do ignore stealth through whatever reason (rules, getting within 5", etc), it will block LOS again. Wow, had completely missed that part about stealth! Clearly. Haven’t played a lot of stealth models on my day. Cheers!
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Post by davycannonhound on Mar 28, 2018 0:34:11 GMT
Rhyas is my all time favorite warlock. Before themes came along (and before the Ogrun CID), I had a 35pt. list I used that I dare say was perfect:
Rhyas +30 Seraph 14 Carnivean 19 Blighted Nyss Swordsmen 15 - Champion & Abbot 6 Blightblades 10 Shepherd 1
Jamming Blightblades did wonders for her when she was trying to set up an assassination. Swordsmen are great with Stealth. Carnivean loves rapport (originally it was +2 to both mat and rat). Seraph is mandatory with her.
Rhyas and the Carnivean are the centerpieces of the army. Rhyas herself is of course very scary, and has great assassination threat. However, the Carnivean basically becomes a mini version of her. While the stat boost from Rapport is nice, the biggest thing is actually extended control range. Her feat allows you to slingshot the Carnivean out, have it teleport behind an enemy it damages, and then eat the warlock. Extended control range makes that feat tactic work. Of course, Rhyas can do that tactic by herself as well.
For her feat, consider this:
Rhyas can (probably) kill a warlock/warcaster that is within 3" of another piece (that she can charge. Also the teleport happens before they die). This is due to her base size (which is roughly 1"), and her 2" reach.
A Carnivean can (probably) kill a warlock/warcaster that is within 4" of a model it can charge. 3" of base size, and 1" melee. (Scytheans are actually better choices for assassination, however they don't get as much out of the Rapport stat buff. Ravagores aren't a bad choice, as she's usually hurting a little on range).
Pre-measuring is your greatest weapon, and your feat is so unpredictable even experienced opponents will have a hard time defending against it.
I actually prefer to go out of theme with her, however if I had to recommend a theme I would go with Primal Terrors. It has no restrictions on warbeasts, and the Ogrun love her Stealth and Dash.
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Post by thelat on Mar 28, 2018 16:32:42 GMT
Do you have a specific goal for the scouts? With 9points left you could up them to raptors (to stay with your theme and project threat really precisely) or Golab (which is just great for her). If you do need them scouts, probably give them the UA and add a nyss warlord to run with Rhyas? I needed some fast bodies that were reasonably hard to kill, could disrupt gunlines, be a pain in the butt if left unchecked, and generally give the Ogrun the extra turn they needed to do stuff. Raptors, Scout UA, and Warlord are all tempting options. What does Golab particularly like about Rhyas? He's a good beast, but I'm not seeing any particular synergies, as she already has Sprint.
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Mar 29, 2018 7:47:23 GMT
What does Golab particularly like about Rhyas? He's a good beast, but I'm not seeing any particular synergies, as she already has Sprint. A fact I completely overlooked
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flogger
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Post by flogger on Mar 30, 2018 6:39:09 GMT
The feat says after you damage a model. Surely this means the place effect doesn’t work when hitting single box infantry?
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