moquan
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Post by moquan on Sept 26, 2018 13:16:13 GMT
Curious that you don't have Fire and Judy swapped. I find Thyra doesn't have a ton to do on a turn by turn basis and can afford to throw a Focus or two to the big lug. And Fire's threat range gets stupid with Road to War. That said, there are great benefits to a fully loaded Judicator every turn. moquan is right. Judi lets Sevy stay as safe as he likes. Road to War and Righteous Vengeance would be hella mobile, though. Its worth a try swapping. I would be afraid it hampers me too much. FoS will be more of a one-shot missile, unless you can keep Sevvy0 safe so far up the board. The use of a judicator in this list is interesting. I have a dervish on sevvy0 and a unit of vengers instead...
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Post by paradox on Sept 26, 2018 14:22:41 GMT
Judi has been a huge force in games so far, threatening anything in range, and a focal point thst allows other pieces to do work.
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Hashmal
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Post by Hashmal on Sept 26, 2018 18:25:45 GMT
You will hear no argument from me regarding Judy's place in any list. She is a beast.
I tend to view most melee heavies as one-shot missiles, until they take out the things that can kill them. True, putting Fire on Sevy0 risks him, but you value when it's worth committing and when not. I'm more just commenting on a psycho threat range interaction that is guaranteed to catch people. It's hard to avoid 14-17" of threat.
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 26, 2018 19:34:31 GMT
I have had mixed success with her in EI and FM. My issue with her in my meta has been all the infantry hate and she does little to protect your dudes from shooting. I have been brainstorming a list for her as she is an incredible brick breaker. conflictchamber.com/#c2201b_-0E3K3N3Umem03p3plMm33B3B2_lZlS2mbQ[Thyra 1] Thyra, Flame of Sorrow [+29] - Blood of Martyrs [16] - Sanctifier [14] - Hierophant [3] High Exemplar Gravus [8] Knights Exemplar Seneschal [0(5)] Knights Exemplar Seneschal [5] Scrutator Potentate Severius [0(6)] - Fire of Salvation [14] Wrack [1] Wrack [1] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Exemplar Cinerators (max) [13] - Exemplar Cinerator Officer [5] Exemplar Errants (max) [16] - Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard [4] The issue is, now when I build a thyra EI list, I can't help but think Cyrenia Runs it better and delivers the army better because dash + feat + rock wall. Especially with sevvy0 and 3 jacks because Pos charge is a thing. The only exception I think is to drop Sevvy0 since you don't really need him as SoD and carnage swing Mat and Pow more than enough and run some knights Exemplar instead like so: conflictchamber.com/#c2201b_-0E3K3N3Umemfm03p3p3BlZlS2mbQ2jfV2jfV[Thyra 1] Thyra, Flame of Sorrow [+29] - Blood of Martyrs [16] - Sanctifier [14] - Hierophant [3] Exemplar Errant Seneschal [3] High Exemplar Gravus [8] Knights Exemplar Seneschal [0(5)] Knights Exemplar Seneschal [0(5)] Wrack [1] Exemplar Cinerators (max) [13] - Exemplar Cinerator Officer [0(5)] Exemplar Errants (max) [16] - Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard [4] Knights Exemplar [9] - Knights Exemplar Officer [4] Knights Exemplar [9] - Knights Exemplar Officer [4]
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Post by mydnight on Sept 26, 2018 22:45:02 GMT
Between High Reclaimer and Cyrenia, I'm finding it hard to fit Thyra into EI. Sure she can run it okay, but it somehow doesn't feel as good.
Also it seems vengers haven't really picked up in popularity, despite the buff. Thyra seems okay with them: str buff on them, and feat to give them crazy alpha strike? The shrine also brings em back.
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Post by paradox on Sept 26, 2018 23:18:50 GMT
Between High Reclaimer and Cyrenia, I'm finding it hard to fit Thyra into EI. Sure she can run it okay, but it somehow doesn't feel as good. Also it seems vengers haven't really picked up in popularity, despite the buff. Thyra seems okay with them: str buff on them, and feat to give them crazy alpha strike? The shrine also brings em back. Stealth cinerators are LOLfun. Silence of Death on KE make them really truck. PS16WM with Eye, SoD, and Battle Driven. And with cinerators + BoM, it gives you LOTS of Take Down/Grievous Wounds. The feat is a great range extender for exemplar. Carnage fixes DEF skew into MAT7, easing dicey swings. Blessed, Battle, HoV, SoD, and EoM on Blood is NOT OK. Lol +5/+7. Feat + Apparition + Side Step makes it a silly threat too. Thyra does amazingly well in EI.
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 27, 2018 0:26:16 GMT
I think Thyra wants more dudes. She doesn’t really need eye though. Pow 13 Cinerators should be enough and Pow 15 Knights E should kill just about anything.
Now something fun is Pow12 Mat 10 Errants. Makes them hit pretty darn hard. 4-5 of them will lay the hurt on a heavy.
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d3z
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Post by d3z on Sept 27, 2018 0:29:46 GMT
Between High Reclaimer and Cyrenia, I'm finding it hard to fit Thyra into EI. Sure she can run it okay, but it somehow doesn't feel as good. Also it seems vengers haven't really picked up in popularity, despite the buff. Thyra seems okay with them: str buff on them, and feat to give them crazy alpha strike? The shrine also brings em back. I'm afraid the shrine can not revive large-based models.
To differentiate from HR and Cyrenia, I think Thyra offers one very important tool that I need — stranglehold. Maybe it's just my local guys that love to buff a single heavy/colossal to insanity and bully the board with it (e.g. Proteus), but I find it enough to try Thyra over perhaps better options.
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Post by paradox on Sept 27, 2018 0:47:13 GMT
I think Thyra wants more dudes. She doesn’t really need eye though. Pow 13 Cinerators should be enough and Pow 15 Knights E should kill just about anything. Now something fun is Pow12 Mat 10 Errants. Makes them hit pretty darn hard. 4-5 of them will lay the hurt on a heavy. Dont lie. Everyone loves Eye.
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 27, 2018 3:36:45 GMT
I think Thyra wants more dudes. She doesn’t really need eye though. Pow 13 Cinerators should be enough and Pow 15 Knights E should kill just about anything. Now something fun is Pow12 Mat 10 Errants. Makes them hit pretty darn hard. 4-5 of them will lay the hurt on a heavy. Dont lie. Everyone loves Eye. It’s just so hard for me list building wise. Because I want FoS on Sevvy0 so bad, and yet I also want moar dudes... Compromise with Cyrenia I guess.
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Post by mydnight on Sept 27, 2018 13:44:59 GMT
I'm afraid the shrine can not revive large-based models.
To differentiate from HR and Cyrenia, I think Thyra offers one very important tool that I need — stranglehold. Maybe it's just my local guys that love to buff a single heavy/colossal to insanity and bully the board with it (e.g. Proteus), but I find it enough to try Thyra over perhaps better options.
Actually, Eye of Menoth + Stranglehold is pretty cool, now that you mentioned it! I'm going to try Thyra +Guardian and BoM, with Sev0 and FoS.
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jarrow
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Post by jarrow on Sept 28, 2018 5:19:11 GMT
I have played
Protectorate Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Exemplar Interdiction
[Thyra 1] Thyra, Flame of Sorrow [+29] - Blood of Martyrs [16] - Fire of Salvation [14] - Hierophant [3] Exemplar Warder [0(5)] High Exemplar Gravus [8] Knights Exemplar Seneschal [0(5)] Rhupert Carvolo, Piper of Ord [4] Wrack [1] Choir of Menoth (max) [6] Exemplar Errants (max) [16] - Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard [0(4)] Knights Exemplar [9] - Knights Exemplar Officer [4] Knights Exemplar [9] Shrine of the Lawgiver [14]
and really liked the list. Not played with Cyrenia yet, and have to try her some time when I have her painted, but I really like Thyra's mobility. If I compare these two casters: Thyra has Occultation, Cyrenia has IR and feat. For single wound exemplars Occultation is better protection against shooting and counting feat is really situational. T1-C0 Cyrenia has dash, Thyra has feat. T1-C1 Thyra has SoD and Carnage, Cyrenia has Positive Charge. Cyrenia want's more jacks than Thrya, so less exemplars. T2-C1 Thrya has strangelhold witch is really good control spell, cyrenia has rock wall and hex blast that are good spells too, but do different. T3-C2 Cyrenia can give reposition to errants T3-C3
Overall I think that both casters run exemplars good, but a little bit different. Have to test Cyrenia so I can say better...
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 28, 2018 16:34:21 GMT
I'm afraid the shrine can not revive large-based models.
To differentiate from HR and Cyrenia, I think Thyra offers one very important tool that I need — stranglehold. Maybe it's just my local guys that love to buff a single heavy/colossal to insanity and bully the board with it (e.g. Proteus), but I find it enough to try Thyra over perhaps better options.
Actually, Eye of Menoth + Stranglehold is pretty cool, now that you mentioned it! I'm going to try Thyra +Guardian and BoM, with Sev0 and FoS. The inclusion of the hiero to EI makes it pretty likely that you will have focus to cast it as well. She basically gets 8 focus a turn with hiero and a wrack (or 2 if yours blow up as much as mine do) MA7, Pow 12 Stranglehold does seem great. I wonder if stealth bastions are worth it. I am thinking no, because cinerators are cheaper and hit almost as hard with eye alone, and cinerators with stealth seem excellent, albeit more conditional than making them arm23. I wonder if taking a dervish would be worth it? SoD+carnage+eye+battle makes the sucker MAT10 and Pow 18 with 12" threat and side step. Mini Blood of Martyrs!
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Post by jisidro on Sept 28, 2018 16:48:22 GMT
Don't fight Sevy0, lean into him.
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Post by mydnight on Oct 14, 2018 21:30:49 GMT
Played the following into Anamag
Thyra BoM Guardian Sev0 FoS Warder Gade Gravus Cinnies+UA KE+UA Hierophant, Mechanics, Choir, Wracks
Two things I was impressed with:
(1) Stranglehold + Sev 0 is amazing (2) FoS on Sev 0 has an insane threat with Thyra (I'm wondering if he could do sneaky assassinations with Testament on feat turn)
Sev 0 is crazy good. Not so sure about the Guardian.
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