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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Mar 27, 2018 11:31:36 GMT
Remember Lich 3 has Hex Blast, so Admonition is not guaranteed You're right, but then he either has DJ to cast that for him, or there's no Calamity, or there's not a lot of focus to go around. In the latter case, that definitely means that Slayers will be bunched up, because he needs multiple and you have an efficient counter punch. Vociferon can Spell Slave it, also if he feats the turn before you send in some Centurions, he should have some extra focus
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Post by Hashmal on Mar 27, 2018 14:16:20 GMT
Gaspy3 Slayer Spam requires cagey play on the Kraye player's part, but it can be done. Admonition is hardly a guarantee on DEF 11 'jacks that Vociferon can target. Look for opportunities to grab a Slayer on the flanks where reprisal will be minimal. The Feat needs to be played around, but you do things like Polarity Shield before going in, or just back up and play scenario knowing that you can't be slammed out of zones. If Gaspy3 comes up to aggressively Feat on you, he has to be scared of you opening up a charge lane, or had better have that well protected.
Gaspy3 Leviathan Spam, on the other hand, is a lot rougher... Kraye didn't like that so much.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Mar 27, 2018 14:50:36 GMT
Gaspy3 Slayer Spam requires cagey play on the Kraye player's part, but it can be done. Admonition is hardly a guarantee on DEF 11 'jacks that Vociferon can target. Look for opportunities to grab a Slayer on the flanks where reprisal will be minimal. The Feat needs to be played around, but you do things like Polarity Shield before going in, or just back up and play scenario knowing that you can't be slammed out of zones. If Gaspy3 comes up to aggressively Feat on you, he has to be scared of you opening up a charge lane, or had better have that well protected. Gaspy3 Leviathan Spam, on the other hand, is a lot rougher... Kraye didn't like that so much. Yeah it's not so fun when they can shoot back, dice off 6 on Centurions is not too bad either, dice off 3 if they land parasite, and then dice off 1 once the Shield has gone.
Also Leviathans are effectively arm 20 in melee with 30 boxes, over the arm 19 28 boxes of the Slayer.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Mar 27, 2018 15:04:27 GMT
Gaspy3 Slayer Spam requires cagey play on the Kraye player's part, but it can be done. Admonition is hardly a guarantee on DEF 11 'jacks that Vociferon can target. Look for opportunities to grab a Slayer on the flanks where reprisal will be minimal. The Feat needs to be played around, but you do things like Polarity Shield before going in, or just back up and play scenario knowing that you can't be slammed out of zones. If Gaspy3 comes up to aggressively Feat on you, he has to be scared of you opening up a charge lane, or had better have that well protected. Gaspy3 Leviathan Spam, on the other hand, is a lot rougher... Kraye didn't like that so much. Yeah it's not so fun when they can shoot back, dice off 6 on Centurions is not too bad either, dice off 3 if they land parasite, and then dice off 1 once the Shield has gone.
Also Leviathans are effectively arm 20 in melee with 30 boxes, over the arm 19 28 boxes of the Slayer.
There is no Parasite, Gaspy 3 has Calamity. The Leviathans are also one less DEF, which is not insignificant. (not saying that matchup would be easy)
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Mar 27, 2018 15:07:50 GMT
Yeah it's not so fun when they can shoot back, dice off 6 on Centurions is not too bad either, dice off 3 if they land parasite, and then dice off 1 once the Shield has gone.
Also Leviathans are effectively arm 20 in melee with 30 boxes, over the arm 19 28 boxes of the Slayer.
There is no Parasite, Gaspy 3 has Calamity. The Leviathans are also one less DEF, which is not insignificant. (not saying that matchup would be easy) herp de derp, all those Cryx debuffs mess with my brain
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Post by Hashmal on Mar 27, 2018 15:47:49 GMT
Also Leviathans are effectively arm 20 in melee with 30 boxes, over the arm 19 28 boxes of the Slayer.
Yup. You've got the right of it. Add in that they're also MAT 8 POW 19 in melee with Calamity and it becomes a real problem. And for Centurions, all you need to do is blank movement or cortex and Kraye's threat range drops precipitously. He relies on charges himself to get 14" threat - without that, you're walking a 6" threat. I find it really ironic that this list is also hampered when it can't charge.
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Post by redbaron89 on Apr 1, 2018 17:08:19 GMT
5x5 is soooo good. Been just blowing my meta off the board. Lylyth 1, fyanna 2, krueger 2 so far. Circle and legion have a rough time dealing with all the ranged firepower.
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Post by zwergenkrieger on Apr 12, 2018 9:00:20 GMT
Sloan hm wj 28 5x5 list Squire free Hunterx5 50 Minutemenx5 45 Strangeways free A+H 8 Murdoch free Like that list. But one question: why minutemen instead of chargers? Aren't the chargers the more versatile jacks?
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Post by Gamingdevil on Apr 12, 2018 9:03:53 GMT
Sloan hm wj 28 5x5 list Squire free Hunterx5 50 Minutemenx5 45 Strangeways free A+H 8 Murdoch free Like that list. But one question: why minutemen instead of chargers? Aren't the chargers the more versatile jacks? According to the original post: Extended Control Range helps let the jack do its thing without having Sloan move too far forward. They're also very good at killing infantry (which Sloan often struggles with) and can get into awkward places.
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Post by jisidro on Apr 12, 2018 9:20:15 GMT
...Like that list. But one question: why minutemen instead of chargers? Aren't the chargers the more versatile jacks? Chargers have poor synergy with Sloan, she gives them boosted attack rolls but they have powerfull attack... she benefits hunters more.
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Post by xadmar on Apr 12, 2018 16:23:56 GMT
I agree with what the others have said. I think a lot of it has to do with infantry removal. Auto hitting pow 12/8 can be awesome. With Sloans spells they have two pow 14 range 6 shots with boosted attack rolls giving them a 17 inch threat with jump. They can also do cheeky things like throw casters or throw stuff onto casters for assassination.
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Post by Hashmal on Apr 16, 2018 1:10:16 GMT
A few things:
-Minutemen are far more mobile than Chargers. Remaining active on scenario is a problem for Sloan generally. Chargers do not help with this.
-Running and engaging Chargers and Hunters is a viable tactic. You cannot do this to Minutemen.
-As said, Guided Fire will already be up, so Focus used for Powerful Attack will only be boosting damage anyway.
-Minutemen are POW 14. It matters.
-Finally, as was also said, Flak Field is integral to the list.
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Post by spikevash13 on Apr 23, 2018 17:10:45 GMT
I assume I know the answer, but I want to play haley3 as 1. I've been doing it a bit and need more practice and 2. its fully painted, but which list could pair well with her of these two? I think its likely kraye, though maybe sloan. I feel all these lists might have a slight issue with major armor though. maybe
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Post by GYF on Apr 23, 2018 17:34:46 GMT
The "what to pair with Haley" question is a difficult one because you're still likely as good or better off with her into even less advantaged matchups just powering through. Of the games that she really blanches at: - Orion/Convergence generally to an extent
- Maybe Lich III but honestly you still may be better off with her rather than either of these alternatives
- Krueger II but again, still fine with Haley.
- Like a teched out Ossrum list I guess.
- Nemo III
I'd say (1) would want Kraye, so would (2) but I think Haley's better at the game than Kraye is, (3) would be fine for Sloan, but again doesn't really need a second list necessarily and (4) wants Kraye; wait a couple of months on (5). A small consideration is that of the two options Sloan plays faster and puts pressure on the other player, but is a little easier on her pilot, whereas Kraye takes a fair amount of effort to keep afloat both on scenario and attrition, so if you want to take a mental break when not playing Haley Sloan would be the better option. So whatever, probably Kraye but just roll everyone with Haley. I'd probably take Haley II myself, but that's not because she's obviously the perfect second either.
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Post by spikevash13 on Apr 23, 2018 17:55:22 GMT
Yeah that is often my issue, when I was pairing haley/nemo I often felt I ran into similar issue lists (both being ranged even though one is longer ranged it seemed and other stuff). What sort of haley2 list? A big issue I've had where I live is actually rask/arkadius pairing and unfortunately rask destroyed both nemo and haley (maybe haley can do it I did real bad in my only game there)
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