Can Anyone Explain (Circle Rants)

Short answer: they don't.

Long answer:

Cygnar models with Pathfinder:
Ace
Black 13th
Kraye
Maxwell Finn
Hunter
Hurricane
Patrol Dog
Rangers
Storm Strider
Stormwall
Tempest Blazers
Trencher Commandos
Trencher Express Team

Circle models without Pathfinder (discounting Immobile and Flight)
Feral Warpwolf
Ghetorix
Gnarlhorn Satyr
Gorax Rager
Pureblood Warpwolf
Riphorn Satyr
Shadowhorn Satyr
Warpborn Skinwalkers


So put simply, what are you talking about?



And yes I understand they have access to Pathfinder solutions. We doun’t because the overwhelming majority of our faction already has it. But afaik their Pathfinder solutions are Haley3, Kraye and Rhupert. Hardly an enormous list.

Guess it just feels like they do...Almost every time I play against Cygnar, at least the people I play against have more pathfinder on the table than it seems they should...oh well...rant supplicated for now

I think this post has a point.

While it is true that most of our models have pathfinder, it is also true that most of the ones who don't are those that would be most needed. Also, I think a plain comparison of list of models with pathfinder doesn't really hit the target, the point is more complex than just that.

Of our nine living heavies only three have pathfinder, and two of them are characters so quite restrictive on their own (well, one is also shelf addicted as well). Six of them are without, included three of four of our main living beast hitters, leaving Stalker as only choice in this regard.
Also, if I'm not forgetting spells, we only have Kaya2 for addressing the issue as a faction.

I find myself outmatched in the pathfinder war more often than one would expect from the "woods and wilds" faction of the game. Of course when I'm playing living beasts, wolds and infantries (when they exist) are good with it.

Not to pick nits, but on a direct comparison, Saxon Orrik currently works for more Hordes factions (Circle, Skorne, Trollbloods, Minions) than Rhupert does (Cygnar, Protectorate, Mercs) and provides Pathfinder to warrior models/units, just like Rhupert. I understand that the beasts are the bigger concern here and you noted Rhupert does nothing for 'jacks, but just wanted to point out that four Hordes factions have access to Pathfinder as needed for warrior models/units.

Edit: Wow, Circle really does have only one Unit that doesn't have Pathfinder. Jelly!

I can see giving pathfinder to the Circle beasts that lack it. No real reason the stalker and Loki have it, but the pureblood and Gheto dont. Sure, I guess the feral maybe might not have the natural sense of a beast, but forcingbthe pureblood to rely on a warp is pretty shitty when its also melee pillowfisted and costly. The feral bears a hefty cost too.

There's no good reason at all the goats dont have it.

I guess you can argue the gorax can skip PF, but the rest? We pay alot for even cheap heavies. And most of the faction has it native. I mean, trolls get tough or regen. Its their thing. Filling out PF in Circle would give them back a bit of identity they lost in MKIII. Alot of threat and move shenanigans were cut, probably a bit too far. I doubt anything ends overtuned adding PF to start.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. It would hardly break the game, but it would alleviate the pathfinder issue somewhat.

Personally I believe we should get more pathfinder on our living beasts. If you read PP's MkIII circle description they described us as the faction of "boundless mobility" or something along those lines. IMO Circle was one of the factions where they removed mobility in the MkIII transition instead of adding it. There seems to be no logical reason that every Legion beast has pathfinder except typhon and the  majority of Circle living beasts lack it. If I could wave my magic wand we would get bounding back as an animus, get pathfinder on at least Ghetorix, and the goats, and have the stone teleport increased to 10 inches. I would love pathfinder on the Pureblood or Feral, but I can understand the reasons behind leaving it off of them.

You sir are asking for a complete novel of a post with that.

One nice tidbit though is that the skinwalker alpha used to give the unit blood drinker and rapid strike (2x attacks per turn).  Rapid strike was dropped for the howl ability which makes me a sad sad druid.  Rapid strike could be used for some seriously damaging charge attacks using their CRA's and the volume of attacks it gave the unit.

For the life of me I can't remember if they had native pathfinder instead of boundless though.  I seem to remember pathfinder though, or was it battle driven?