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Post by Charistoph on Feb 22, 2018 4:44:01 GMT
This may seem like an odd question, but is there any general overview of the Warlocks that list what Themes fit them best and what 'Beasts they should focus on?
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Post by goodjazz on Feb 22, 2018 8:31:41 GMT
Not exactly what you want. But battlecollege.org lists all warlocks and has some advice written to each of them. For most warlocks that includes beasts and/or units that run well with them, problably some advice on theme's too.
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Post by zich on Feb 22, 2018 9:38:57 GMT
Okay, let's do it:
Hexy1: Brings some good buffs that synergize well with a lot of attacks. Likes Winds of Death (WoD) and Masters of War (MoW). He's also really good with turtles.
Hexy2: Similar to Hexy1 but different. Ups the infantry clearing to crazy levels, but does nothing for damage fixing. Could potentially like all the themes. He's also really good with turtles.
Jalaam1: Incredibly good at delivering basically anything. Offensively a bit like Hexy2, so he also likes things that hit hard, like for example Swordsmen or Legends. He's also really good with turtles.
Makeda1: Makes everything silly fast and resillient to guns. She has defense covered so she wants solid offense. She mostly likes MoW or Warhost (IWH), but could also be played in WoD. She's also really good with turtles.
Makeda2: She absolutely crushes lists that bring only few attacks and no Grievous Wounds. She's pretty much exclusively played in MoW, with Ferox and/or Swordsmen.
Makeda3: She's bad. Kind of okay with turtles though.
Mordikaar: A very weird but awesome caster. He might aswell be sold in a box with Despoiler and two Void Spirits. He loves MoW with a mix of units, but he's probably also okay with turtles.
Morghoul1: Some people like this guy in Disciples of Agony (DoA), but I hate him with a passion. He might be okay alongside some turtles.
Morghoul2: An amazing caster, can be played well in any theme. I'm fond of him in DoA with 2x Croaks, 2x Valks, 2x Archidon. But he's also great with turtles.
Morghoul3: Some people like this guy but I hate him. Can't comment. Probably okay with turtles.
Naaresh1: And another caster I really dislike. He naturally wants IWH or preferably DoA with a ton of Archidons and at least one Battle Boar.
Rasheth1: Our best caster and works well with everything as he just turns all numbers to silly on his feat and brings a lot of tech with his spells. Best played with turtles.
Xekaar1: See Morghoul2, but not nearly half as cool.
Xerxis1: Loves MoW with a mix of units. DefWard on Cats and Repo3 on Cetrati are money. Probably also good with turtles.
Xerxis2: THE beast caster in Skorne. He likes Archidons and Drakes and Archidons. Oh and Turtles. And Archidons.
Zaadesh2: Lots of people play him as a beast caster, but those people are wrong. He can theoretically play in any theme (except for DoA) as he is very good at fixing both defense (with Clouds) and offense (with his Feat), but absolutely needs utility pieces (Soulward, Eilish, etc). In my not so humble opinion he works best in MoW with a mix of units. He's pretty good with turtles though.
Zaal1: His issue is that he doesn't really like any of our themes. But he has an armor buff that you could put on Turtles.
Zaal2: The most famous Exhalted caster. Exhalted is basically his theme. Not recommended with turtles.
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Post by Charistoph on Feb 22, 2018 10:15:22 GMT
Thank you, zich! Kind of sucks that Rasheth the Hutt is the best caster, I really hate that model. Not exactly what you want. But battlecollege.org lists all warlocks and has some advice written to each of them. For most warlocks that includes beasts and/or units that run well with them, problably some advice on theme's too. Yeah, the problem is the site went inaccessible a few hours before I posted this thread. Also, it is nice to be able to have a quick synopsis to read and not have to slog through every Warlock page. |
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Post by zich on Feb 22, 2018 11:10:29 GMT
If it's of any help to you, Morghoul2 can play a very similar list (just make sure to bring an Archidon) and isn't significantly worse.
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Post by cassus on Feb 22, 2018 13:13:12 GMT
I have to stand up in defense of Zaadesh2 IWH. While Zaadesh has some good tools for infantry, ie clouds and his feat, he is absolutely turned up to 11 in IWH. Counter charge and defensive strike make a beast brick with him terrifying for your opponent to try and come into. His clouds become even more effective as they can easily screen your entire beast brick in then new world of SR2017 terrain. He can play an incredibly resilient list by combining Titan Sentries with Inviable resolve and an agonizer's aura making one effective armor 25 which 2 fully loaded Juggernauts wont be able to kill in a turn even on the charge (according to Buy or Boost? they would have a 3% chance to kill it). Personally in my also not so humble opinion he is a competitor for top castor in our faction, I currently have a 32-2 record with my Zaadesh2 IWH list in my meta where is has taken on Khador, Cygnar, Cryx, Legion, Circle, Minions, Grymkin, Menoth, Mercs, and Trolls.
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Post by jagius021 on Feb 22, 2018 13:36:56 GMT
As for beasts, everyone gets along with a gladiator. As zich indicated, archidon is useful for a lot of our casters. Some for it's Animus, others because it's a fast beast with flying. All the character beasts like their warlock. Most like having a krea to up their game against range, and an agonizer for melee but it isn't always necessary. The shaman is useful for just about all of our warlocks as he has a boostable ghost shot and casts other non-character warbeast animus.
As for some less generalist advice, I find that zadeesh likes a Titan sentry around for his high armor to shunt attacks to and reach weapon.
Makeda 1 can make good use of scarab swarm to get 4 shield guards for 10 points
Hexy2 likes a razor wurm to arc through as it's mobile, advance deploys, and has eyeless sight.
If playing in DOA bring a Blind Walker. Morg 2 and 3 as well as xekaar need an arc nodes.
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Post by bloodsplatterartist on Feb 22, 2018 16:27:20 GMT
My biggest problem with zadesh2 is that you can't take zadesh1 with him.  Also that he only has 28 beast points so he can't take two min units of handlers and a solo and still get 3 free beasts which I find mandatory in a IWH caster. |
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Post by Charistoph on Feb 22, 2018 17:18:27 GMT
Another question, if I may, which Warlocks can run a 0 point game with any decent level of competence? Which, if any, can be "independent" enough for the King of the Hill?
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Post by cassus on Feb 22, 2018 18:23:28 GMT
My biggest problem with zadesh2 is that you can't take zadesh1 with him. Also that he only has 28 beast points so he can't take two min units of handlers and a solo and still get 3 free beasts which I find mandatory in a IWH caster. He can totally get to 3 free points and have those 2 min units and a feralgeist. Zaadesh2 -Ardus Soldier -Bonzeback -Gladiator -Sentry -Sentry -Rhinodon -Agonizer (free) -Agonizer (free) -Agonizer (free) Min Handlers Min Handlers Feralgeist Exactly 75 points, 3 free models with 2 min units of handlers. |
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Post by bloodsplatterartist on Feb 22, 2018 20:45:12 GMT
My biggest problem with zadesh2 is that you can't take zadesh1 with him. Also that he only has 28 beast points so he can't take two min units of handlers and a solo and still get 3 free beasts which I find mandatory in a IWH caster. He can totally get to 3 free points and have those 2 min units and a feralgeist. Zaadesh2 -Ardus Soldier -Bonzeback -Gladiator -Sentry -Sentry -Rhinodon -Agonizer (free) -Agonizer (free) -Agonizer (free) Min Handlers Min Handlers Feralgeist Exactly 75 points, 3 free models with 2 min units of handlers. I suppose that nets you a solo but Im normally looking for a mistspeaker or will Bender to help the army beyond just scoring a flag or contesting. |
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Post by oranjejus on Feb 22, 2018 21:06:13 GMT
Thank you, zich! Kind of sucks that Rasheth the Hutt is the best caster, I really hate that model. As do I - I will never play, or own, Rasheth1. I'm missing out on nothing by doing so. |
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Post by skormedlover87 on Feb 23, 2018 0:01:25 GMT
Thank you, zich! Kind of sucks that Rasheth the Hutt is the best caster, I really hate that model. As do I - I will never play, or own, Rasheth1. I'm missing out on nothing by doing so. I was missing out on the inspiration to model him as a Hutt!!! But no longer, green stuff, here I come! |
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Post by skormedlover87 on Feb 23, 2018 0:06:03 GMT
Another question, if I may, which Warlocks can run a 0 point game with any decent level of competence? Which, if any, can be "independent" enough for the King of the Hill? I know not of this Hill King you speak of, but Xekaar is hilariously one of our best 0pt casters. Morghoul1 or 2 work well, Zaadesh2 is good. The new guy Jaalam is great for that. |
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Post by oranjejus on Feb 23, 2018 3:17:35 GMT
I was missing out on the inspiration to model him as a Hutt!!! But no longer, green stuff, here I come! Efficient! No paint necessary. |
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