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Post by Dirhavel on Apr 5, 2017 8:34:28 GMT
Has anyone tried that yet?
In trying to figure out who to pair with Vyros2 FoW which I love, I have considered many casters/lists but haven't been fully satisfied yet. It just dawned on me that maybe another FoW list could be a good complement. I was thinking maybe Helynna with a bunch of manticores/Hydras for a decent gunline or Rahn with Helios and battle mages.
Basically it seems to me that having a pairing that skews this hard against shooting may help you figure out what the opponent will drop into you. For exemple if they have a gunline and something else as a pair, it's a pretty safe bet they won't drop the gunline, so you can pick whichever one of your lists handles their 2nd list best. And even if they do drop the gunline, you have plenty of tools to at least help in the matchup with shield guards and +2def/arm against ranged. I guess it doesn't really work if they have two melee-focused lists, but can't have everything I suppose.
So has anyone had success with such a tactic yet or am I just fooling myself?
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Post by Tom_Bombadil_ on Apr 5, 2017 12:53:47 GMT
Personally I think it could work fairly well V2 is a force on scenario and I think I would pair it with something that can go for the assassination and honestly Rahn in theme would work well and I could see it going great.
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Post by Tucker on Apr 5, 2017 14:43:37 GMT
Rhan is sufficiently different from Vyros2 and Hylenna that he would pair well with them. I would be hesitant to pair Vyros2 with Hylenna because even though he relies on melee and she relies more on shooting they're still fairly similar. I suppose the sort of Hylenna army you propose, relying on Covering Fire and attrition would be decent at covering some of Vyros2's bad match ups, but I'd need to play it out to be sure.
Just pray you don't run into a Strike Force-heavy mirror match!
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Post by dagowit on Apr 7, 2017 9:00:45 GMT
Just pray you don't run into a Strike Force-heavy mirror match! Just out of curiosity, has anyone played Rahn theme into this? I would imagine that Chain Blast makes Strike Force really nervous. Mage Hunters hate Force Barrier - and you could even bring Discordia for an ARM buff they can't ignore.
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Post by Tom_Bombadil_ on Apr 7, 2017 13:18:41 GMT
Just pray you don't run into a Strike Force-heavy mirror match! Just out of curiosity, has anyone played Rahn theme into this? I would imagine that Chain Blast makes Strike Force really nervous. Mage Hunters hate Force Barrier - and you could even bring Discordia for an ARM buff they can't ignore. Personally I don't think a Strike Force heavy mirror would be that dangerous even though they will get a lot of work done one your jacks. Chain Blast can do some work even if they spread out, Force Barrier makes HSBM are Def 15 against range which Strike force will struggle to hit, and with Discordia you have another piece that can not only cripple strike force with the +2ARM but will also a Spray10 is going to get work done even against stealth.
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Post by SeBM on Apr 7, 2017 17:30:41 GMT
I am assuming we are talking about Kaelyssa with one single unit of MHSF and one unit of Sentinels.
Discordia isn't going to do a whole lot of work against DEF 17 MHSF. Chain Blast is an option, but it requires a target so you are likely to need to target your own stuff. Banishing Ward protects Kaelyssa pretty well and the assassination is always on the table if she has 2 decent heavies with some shooting. If she's running with a Hyperion, she can just hide behind it after using Refuge.
Kaelyssa is probably the best Warcaster for the miror match and I'm not sure Rahn wants to play against her.
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Post by nightflier on Apr 7, 2017 18:49:17 GMT
I did this with v2 and Thyron and liked the combo.
Thyron core was 2 manticore, 2 Phoenix, 3 griffons, battle mages, artificer sylys and arcanists.
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Post by dagowit on Apr 8, 2017 9:51:34 GMT
I did this with v2 and Thyron and liked the combo. Thyron core was 2 manticore, 2 Phoenix, 3 griffons, battle mages, artificer sylys and arcanists. Could you elaborate a bit on your list-dropping philosophy? What kind of opponents did you use which list for? Did you find and particularly peasy/roblematic matchups due to running two 'jack heavy lists? I tried to make a Thyron list in theme but wanted a Helios to take advantage of knocked down models. Looking back, that might have been a mistake...
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Post by Tucker on Apr 8, 2017 14:34:33 GMT
Just pray you don't run into a Strike Force-heavy mirror match! Just out of curiosity, has anyone played Rahn theme into this? I would imagine that Chain Blast makes Strike Force really nervous. Mage Hunters hate Force Barrier - and you could even bring Discordia for an ARM buff they can't ignore. I'm a weird dude so my Kaelyssa army may be unconventional, but it has Discordia, a Banshee, two units of Strike Force, and various solos and light myrmidons that I shuffle in and out from game to game. Rahn has all sorts of problems against this army because Stealth vastly reduces the effectiveness of his Battle Mage buddies, Banishing Ward makes assassination very difficult (though it does hamper Kaelyssa to keep it on herself), and between Blur and the Kinetic Field the Strike Force are hard to kill. Strike Force shred ARM 18 myrmidons while boosted shots or pure weight of fire can take down the Battle Mages - DEF 15 is good but Strike Force still hit that about 1/3rd of the time. The myrmidons won't benefit much from the Artificer's Force Barrier as they can be made stationary or get knocked down fairly easily. I've never played against a Rahn army that had Discordia but she would be a key piece on the other side, as ARM 20 is a much harder nut for the Strike Force to crack. A combo of a colossal and Discordia would probably be the best core of a Rahn army to take on Kaelyssa. My Kaelyssa army also does a number on Vyros2 as you would expect, because even if you jam with Griffons the Strike Force can just swarm them in melee. Vyros1 would probably fare better as his army is faster and he has a stronger assassination game and tends to take more infantry (i.e. any infantry at all), but I have yet to play against him with Kaelyssa so that's just speculation on my part.
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Post by Irusk2K on Apr 9, 2017 12:17:36 GMT
I haven't played this list competitively but it works well in my local meta.
Forges of War Helynna Phoenix Hydra Hydra Manticore Manticore Gorgon Griffon Griffon Sylys Artificers x2 Mechaniks x3
I think the mix of Decel, RoW, her feat, and the Shield Guard ability from the theme would work well against a Kaelyssa MHSF list too.
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Post by nightflier on Apr 10, 2017 19:35:35 GMT
I did this with v2 and Thyron and liked the combo. Thyron core was 2 manticore, 2 Phoenix, 3 griffons, battle mages, artificer sylys and arcanists. Could you elaborate a bit on your list-dropping philosophy? What kind of opponents did you use which list for? Did you find and particularly peasy/roblematic matchups due to running two 'jack heavy lists? I tried to make a Thyron list in theme but wanted a Helios to take advantage of knocked down models. Looking back, that might have been a mistake... List drop is fairly simple. Thyron is the main drop, he wants To go into matches without numerous boostable attacks. If he can get the opponent down to >1 heavy, they probably won't be able to kill Thyron. Then you send him in to try and force a scenario victory with him holding an entire zone by himself. Vyros is there to handle lists you think can kill Thyron, or massive heavy spam (Amon/other classic synergy lists, lists with lots of accurate weapon masters, though that could probably go either way, etc....)
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Post by dagowit on Apr 21, 2017 12:25:59 GMT
I know this is a bit of a necro but I felt inspired to try double Forges of War at the Battle at Lund in southern Sweden this weekend. I thought I'd share my experiences.
I went with: Rahn, Helios, double Chimera double Battle Mages and Vyros 2, Imperatus, dual Hydra, six Griffons
I played against some very good opponents and didn't have high hopes due to my own lack of experience but still managed to win half my games (going 3-2 the first day and 2-2 the next) despite stupid mistakes.
I'll go into more detail if anyone is interested but will otherwise try to skip to the conclusions.
The Vyros2 list worked very well overall. It was butchered by Nemo3 due to lucky dice rolls but otherwise did ARM cracking well (I played against Ossrum twice and lost the first game on 5 CP because I forgot the +3 SPD on his feat. In both cases, however, I felt like I had the damage output to deal with his 'jack spam).
The Rahn list was more problematic. Despite loving Helios, it would have been much better to have Hyperion for the Una2 and (especially) Ghost Fleet games. Alternatively, I might be tempted to try thurye's solution with Thyron.
Overall, I'd say that dual Forges of War is certainly tournament playable and (since I like Myrmidons) I'd like to try it again.
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Post by nightflier on Apr 25, 2017 1:08:04 GMT
I ran Thyron into ghost fleet and did well against scarre 2. His list honestly couldn't touch me
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Post by deadlyninjacat on Apr 25, 2017 7:09:36 GMT
I ran Thyron into ghost fleet and did well against scarre 2. His list honestly couldn't touch me List? I would love to see a good Thyron list!
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Post by nightflier on May 10, 2017 19:55:03 GMT
War Room Army
Retribution of Scyrah - Thyron warforges
Theme: Forges of War 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Thyron, Sword of Truth - WJ: +27 - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker - PC: 0 - Griffon - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Griffon - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Griffon - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Manticore - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 3) - Manticore - PC: 14 - Phoenix - PC: 18 - Phoenix - PC: 18
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2 Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2 Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 0 House Shyeel Artificer - PC: 0
House Shyeel Battle Mages - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10
THEME: Forges of War ---
GENERATED : 05/10/2017 14:53:52 BUILD ID : 2038.17-03-15
The more I play Thyron and the more I think about what he really wants the more I keep thinking this is the list I want to run with him
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