Haight
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Post by Haight on Feb 14, 2018 23:43:44 GMT
I feel like the Gunner Attachment isn't all that hot. Sure, it hits a little harder than the rest of the unit, but it's not a big boost. Am I going to pay two points for this unit to do that? I dunno. I agree, but remember, this is a debuff stacking faction, so they could end up being hot in CG, and kinda "meh" in mercs. On their face they're not bad, but i'm also not salivating. Paper thin, fast, shortish threat range with "meh" bombs (the ignoring cover is nice). Attachment with gunfighter 14 is actually nice because CG will have armor dropping effects. In a debuff faction, nice. In mercs? Not sure i feel yet, and my first instinct is "not enough to tempt me out of irregulars".
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Post by Azuresun on Feb 15, 2018 0:45:28 GMT
lets a unit ignore terrain and free strikes like a goat Circle players are now giving you dirty looks.
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Juris
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Post by Juris on Feb 15, 2018 0:48:03 GMT
I feel like the Gunner Attachment isn't all that hot. Sure, it hits a little harder than the rest of the unit, but it's not a big boost. Am I going to pay two points for this unit to do that? I dunno. I agree, but remember, this is a debuff stacking faction, so they could end up being hot in CG, and kinda "meh" in mercs. On their face they're not bad, but i'm also not salivating. Paper thin, fast, shortish threat range with "meh" bombs (the ignoring cover is nice). Attachment with gunfighter 14 is actually nice because CG will have armor dropping effects. In a debuff faction, nice. In mercs? Not sure i feel yet, and my first instinct is "not enough to tempt me out of irregulars". Spoilers for one of the new CG Warcasters shows that he has army-wide Prey as a feat. Consider the Rocketmen in that context. They seem much stronger in that light. Delivering three RAT8/POW18 attacks, and 11 RAT8/POW16 attacks to a rusted target from 13" away, seems pretty decent for 26 points. Against a Conquest, that deals 48 damage on average. It'll completely mess up another unit if that's your target.
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Post by Charistoph on Feb 15, 2018 5:05:01 GMT
Love it. "Target friendly faction model/unit gains pathfinder. During an affected model's activation, that model can be placed completely within 5" after making a full advance as its normal movement. At the end of an affected model's activation, that model bleats at the nearest enemy model, causing it to chuckle softly. Goat Walk lasts for one round." And if the model Runs during its activation, it falls down and gains Feign Death...
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Asmoridin
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Getting back into the game after too long a hiatus!
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Post by Asmoridin on Feb 15, 2018 14:51:27 GMT
I feel like the Gunner Attachment isn't all that hot. Sure, it hits a little harder than the rest of the unit, but it's not a big boost. Am I going to pay two points for this unit to do that? I dunno. I agree, but remember, this is a debuff stacking faction, so they could end up being hot in CG, and kinda "meh" in mercs. On their face they're not bad, but i'm also not salivating. Paper thin, fast, shortish threat range with "meh" bombs (the ignoring cover is nice). Attachment with gunfighter 14 is actually nice because CG will have armor dropping effects. In a debuff faction, nice. In mercs? Not sure i feel yet, and my first instinct is "not enough to tempt me out of irregulars". That's a fair point- once the rest of the army is available to look at, it'll be better to see this unit in the proper context.
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Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Feb 15, 2018 15:04:08 GMT
I also think it matters a lot about what other units they have. Every other Cygnar unit seems way more attractive in Llaelese resistance once you realize that you are actually getting that unit AND trenchers. Similarly, I start looking at even bad units in Menoth when I think about taking Zealots with Crosse or Errants with Ashlynn.
These guys might be that second unit in a good Llaelese force. Even as they stand now, +1 rat, Pathfinder, and the ability to be speed 11 def 16 under Ashlynn + a good gallows pull and Repo 3" means a potential threat range of up to 21" on the 4" grenade. Quicken and Concealment from Rhupert and they are getting delivered.
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Choco
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Gorten, best feet in the game.
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Post by Choco on Feb 15, 2018 17:48:47 GMT
And remember that Gorman is already available in the Llael theme so there is a small (de)buff already for them.
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Post by fallenexile on Feb 16, 2018 1:53:30 GMT
Gorman AND Ragman already allowed.
That gets me thinking... probably a silly question, but does Reposition stack?
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Feb 16, 2018 3:19:25 GMT
Gorman AND Ragman already allowed. That gets me thinking... probably a silly question, but does Reposition stack? no gorman and ragman do not make these guys work. big threat range differences
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Feb 16, 2018 9:23:05 GMT
Gorman AND Ragman already allowed. That gets me thinking... probably a silly question, but does Reposition stack? end of activation movements never stack, for example Maxwell Finn has native repo[3], if I put Refuge on him he cannot use both Repo [3] and refuge for 6" more, he has to choose one
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Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Feb 16, 2018 14:19:11 GMT
Gorman AND Ragman already allowed. That gets me thinking... probably a silly question, but does Reposition stack? no gorman and ragman do not make these guys work. big threat range differences Just gotta put snipe on gorman.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Feb 16, 2018 15:12:37 GMT
no gorman and ragman do not make these guys work. big threat range differences Just gotta put snipe on gorman. Might be a bit hard in Resistance...
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Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Feb 16, 2018 15:46:26 GMT
Ya, still dialing in how dry the sarcasm can be before it needs a tag. My bad.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Feb 16, 2018 16:50:04 GMT
Ya, still dialing in how dry the sarcasm can be before it needs a tag. My bad. I just assume everyone is a clueless scrub, so sarcasm is lost on me here
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Feb 17, 2018 5:38:32 GMT
Ya, still dialing in how dry the sarcasm can be before it needs a tag. My bad. I just assume everyone is a clueless scrub, so sarcasm is lost on me here that is very discourteous..
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