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Post by maximumhippo on Feb 13, 2018 8:48:16 GMT
So, I'm gearing up to go to the Southern Ontario Open (SOO) and I'm trying to be fully painted this year. As a result, I'd like to lock in my lists as early as possible to know what I need to paint. In that interest, i'm posting my lists here so that I might get some insight on what people think are going to be problem match-ups and how to plug those holes. I'll be perfectly blunt, the Fyanna List is mostly because it's already mostly painted. I'm much more practiced with the Thags list and the Lyly list. So, comments? Questions? concerns? let me hear it. conflictchamber.com/#ca201b_-0tgNaPaPcOeJeJeJaObubeb9b9jx___-0laAbvbfaObqfxbdbdb9aYaYbifTfT___-0uaDg_aL29bpaReKbufUfUfIkabajxLegion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Oracles of Annihilation (Fyanna 2) Fyanna, Torment of Everblight [+28] - Angelius [17] - Angelius [17] - Nephilim Bloodseer [8] - Neraph [12] - Neraph [12] - Neraph [12] - Seraph [14] - Succubus [0(4)] Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion [0(6)] The Forsaken [0(4)] The Forsaken [4] Ice Witches [7] Legion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Ravens of War (Lylyth 1) Lylyth, Herald of Everblight [+30] - Naga Nightlurker [8] - Nephilim Bolt Thrower [11] - Seraph [14] Annyssa Ryvaal [8] Grotesque Assassin [0(4)] Strider Deathstalker [0(4)] Strider Deathstalker [0(4)] The Forsaken [4] Blighted Nyss Raptors (max) [18] Blighted Nyss Raptors (max) [18] Grotesque Raiders (max) [12] Hellmouth [6] Hellmouth [6] Legion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Children of the Dragon (Thagrosh 2) Thagrosh, the Messiah [+25] - Azrael [21] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Shredder [4] - Stinger [4] - Typhon [24] - Zuriel [18] - Succubus [4] Blighted Nyss Warlord [0(5)] Blighted Nyss Warlord [5] Bog Trog Mist Speaker [4] Craelix, Fang of Everblight [0(6)] Incubus (5) [0(6)] Ice Witches [7] |
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Post by slaughtersun on Feb 13, 2018 10:59:38 GMT
No Naga with fyana?
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twity
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Post by twity on Feb 13, 2018 12:16:18 GMT
I don't mind having lists that have the naga absent if you have something else that compliments it, but I don't see what the bloodseer is doing that the Naga could not. My only other worry is that your CotD list doesn't have enough stuff for the Nephilim to pop out of. Even if they don't prevent it you will be forced to drop Nephilim into poor situations (like when they have another free attack). A different use of free points might be better.
Best of luck!
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Post by Hjard on Feb 13, 2018 12:25:30 GMT
I suppose you mean Incubi instead of Nephilim?
On the Fyanna + Bloodseer topic: The Bloodseer can bring you a second Slipstream, without using Fyanna and probably misplacing her in the process. He also provides +2 for Gallows, but usually something went terribly wrong, when Fyanna (or anyone) starts using Gallows...
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Post by bward on Feb 13, 2018 14:07:54 GMT
I can understand the strength of the bloodseer in general... but in this specific pairing you really need a naga imo.
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twity
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Post by twity on Feb 13, 2018 14:35:32 GMT
I suppose you mean Incubi instead of Nephilim? On the Fyanna + Bloodseer topic: The Bloodseer can bring you a second Slipstream, without using Fyanna and probably misplacing her in the process. He also provides +2 for Gallows, but usually something went terribly wrong, when Fyanna (or anyone) starts using Gallows... Yes, the incubi, sorry. The second slipstream is nice, but I think your other options make it the weakest choice. I like the bloodseer when he has slipstream and can boost other parts of your army (the BE, hex hunters, BFS). You do have the witches and SnH, but really only the SnH benefits from the boost to hit as the witches are often just using puppet master. If you are opposed to the Naga due to meta, personal preference, prefered list pairing, etc why not try the Raek? He is a monster with Fury, and is very powerful under Fyanna's feat. Additionally the countercharge presents a unique threat when put on Fyanna, countercharge always makes opponents think twice crit smite adds a new dimension to consider. |
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Feb 13, 2018 14:54:02 GMT
I don't believe the Thagrosh 2 list really has enough to really make his tool kit worthwhile. Azrael will never really want to benefit from MD, and 21 points of "not using my battlegroup wide damage buff" is a bit harsh.
I personally look for more volume of attacks. Neraphs being the got to model. Soldiers could work but the low pow is an issue.
Currently the CiD rules for him are not published so if the lessers are there for sac pawn...It's not legal yet.
I just don't think CotD, seemingly for the sake of more character beasts, is the way to go. But if it works for you consistently then your experience trumps my opinion.
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Post by maximumhippo on Feb 13, 2018 14:59:05 GMT
I guess I'll swap in the naga for Fyanna. Or swap the whole list out. I only plan to play that list to avoid D&C. twity: I have exactly 7 models that incubi can pop out of in the list. More than enough. They are really there as scenario pieces. You need to kill my flag camper twice and it's harder the second time kind of deal. @forever_Blight, the lessers are two fold. The shredder makes a fun companion for the soldier with flank and the stinger is for counterblast. It's not always the right call, but the crit freeze spray that can hit anything that triggers it, it's hilarious. Re CID, I'd history is anything to go on, The rules should be updated by April. And I've got a lot of experience with him as is so I'm not too concerned. |
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Feb 13, 2018 15:22:25 GMT
I would like to argue the soldier+shredder is a 13 point packages when a neraph could do the job better than the both of them. Or swap the soldier for a raek who would do better in terms of survival and has better mobility. But again; themes and preferences.
So as T2 is, what is that list intended to counter or at least not loose against? What purpose does it serve in the triad? I would think the Fyanna list is better into jack spam. L1 is better into high defense (like Warpwolves) and general infantry. Would T2 be for battle engines and colossal saturation? You have some very high quality attackers that would do great against a low model count army. But things like Khador jack spam will out number you two to one, if not more.
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Post by maximumhippo on Feb 14, 2018 4:10:47 GMT
As you point out FEB, Themes and preferences.v Thagrosh2 is definitely a comfort caster for me. I have by far the most reps, the most experience, and the most fun with him. The list i have been using is a the result of a lot of fine tuning and experimentation. So here's my question, What Job is the Neraph doing vs. the Soldier + Shredder? Or rather what is your assumption of their job? I'll tell you right now i rarely use them to attack heavies. The soldier is IMO one of the best pieces to deal with those pesky two man contesting units. Eliminators? dead. Swamp Gobbers? Dead. 2" Melee and overtake make it happen even if they try to spread them out. MD and MAT7 means you hit that 10 consistently. The shredder is less a companion as it is insurance.
Thags2 is my comfort pick. I've played him (and won) into Haley3 gravediggers, Karchev Jaws, Coven Banes, and several other things. I do feel that He is an excellent choice in most situations, though that may just be my level of experience with him. to your point about khador jacks, it's fine if I'm outnumbered if none of the jacks have cortexes. Happens all the time. There's no circle in my meta so I can't speak to the efficacy of L1 into the warpwolves but I rather like her against the double turtle Skorne builds. Parasite is a hell of a drug.
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Post by josephkerr on Feb 14, 2018 9:35:47 GMT
Looking at the jan. 2018 theme force document, Incubii (5) is no longer a free option in children of the dragon, and according to this thread in the rules forum ( privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?272506-Free-Scrap-Thralls-and-possibly-other-cases ) if a group of solos is not listed as a group in the theme force, taking them as a free choice nets you 1 solo only, not the group. Please note on that thread they mention the Legion theme being errataed, however the threads from 2017, prior to the latest update of CotD. Does anyone have confirmation whether or not the jan 2018 pdf is the newest or if Incubii were added? I'd love to be reading an old document. |
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Post by eauc on Feb 14, 2018 10:34:06 GMT
Looking at the jan. 2018 theme force document, Incubii (5) is no longer a free option in children of the dragon, and according to this thread in the rules forum ( privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?272506-Free-Scrap-Thralls-and-possibly-other-cases ) if a group of solos is not listed as a group in the theme force, taking them as a free choice nets you 1 solo only, not the group. Please note on that thread they mention the Legion theme being errataed, however the threads from 2017, prior to the latest update of CotD. Does anyone have confirmation whether or not the jan 2018 pdf is the newest or if Incubii were added? I'd love to be reading an old document. wow. Indeed. I don't think anybody noticed this. The modification appears in the Sept 2017 version, when they added minions to themes. The June 2017 version still list full 5 incubi as free models. Warroom still list full 5 incubi as free models today. I wonder if anyone in PP knows about this  It goes a long way to show how much we care about this theme and free incubi models. Nobody noticed the nerf in 6 months. "Legion, we had options"  files.privateerpress.com/op/2017/6.23.2017/Theme%20Forces%20June2017.pdffiles.privateerpress.com/op/errata/Theme%20Forces%20Sept2017v2.pdf |
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Feb 14, 2018 12:40:00 GMT
"Play what you know" is a perfect strategy.
I did think the soldier was there to threaten heavies with precision strike and the shredder as back up. But there's more than one way to use a knife.
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twity
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Post by twity on Feb 14, 2018 14:29:02 GMT
Agreed, anything I say is just what I would do without trying to mess too much with the general theme of your lists. Playing what you know is always a good way to go.
If I play incubi (if that is even possible anymore) I like to have options, there is a lot of power if your opponent doesn't know if you are going to pop out an incubi, it changes the amount of resources they commit to a single model. Still if you like it as is, go for it. Thags1 is turning into my comfort caster, I will drop him into anything.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Feb 14, 2018 15:54:14 GMT
should we ask for an infernal ruling on the incubii? Are those boards still a thing?
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