kaernak
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Post by kaernak on Feb 14, 2018 18:51:57 GMT
That's why I like Faithful Masses. You get all the same support models plus the option for Idrians (preferred choice) or Zealots and some paladins to fill in as needed. Vilmon as a cheap shield guard. Then top it off, you gain Hand of Vengeance. This alone helps immensely in your armor cracking and does the job in helping your accuracy before you get Synergy going. This theme allows for you to build a more interesting and balanced list without needing to bring along 7+ jacks. True. I just feel like building in FM is a different kind of list(obviously). If you want to go all jacks though Creator's Might definitely has game. Hand of Vengeance is really nice though. I just don't see Amon as a caster who wants infantry. They don't build synergy.
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Choco
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Post by Choco on Feb 14, 2018 19:12:44 GMT
That's why I like Faithful Masses. You get all the same support models plus the option for Idrians (preferred choice) or Zealots and some paladins to fill in as needed. Vilmon as a cheap shield guard. Then top it off, you gain Hand of Vengeance. This alone helps immensely in your armor cracking and does the job in helping your accuracy before you get Synergy going. This theme allows for you to build a more interesting and balanced list without needing to bring along 7+ jacks. True. I just feel like building in FM is a different kind of list(obviously). If you want to go all jacks though Creator's Might definitely has game. Hand of Vengeance is really nice though. I just don't see Amon as a caster who wants infantry. They don't build synergy. Looking at other themes brings in new ways to play and think about how to build your lists. FM will allow for you to build a list that really has options beyond just ram jacks down their throat. With how self sufficient Idrians are, you can use them as a serious distraction while your battlegroup and support move around in a different way; maybe as a flanking option that tries to go after specific pieces and chooses more easily when they want to engage. Basically, instead of your jacks being your front/only line, you have Idrians (most likely) who are your front line and the battlegroup/support that follow up to clean up as needed. It really changes how the game is played for both you and your opponents. Your opponents expect one thing but then you flip the script and play something different.
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kaernak
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Post by kaernak on Feb 14, 2018 19:35:27 GMT
Oh I definitely get the reasoning behind it and have run something similar (just with durst instead of amon). Just trying to point out that Amon in CM isn't all doom and gloom and bad scenario presence.
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Post by correlion on Feb 15, 2018 16:22:35 GMT
I think that casters like Durst, Feora3 and Reznik2 are better suited for FM, than Amon. IMO that's because you need to have critical mass of jacks in order to stack synergy AND use it's full potential.
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d3z
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Post by d3z on Feb 16, 2018 3:33:41 GMT
I haven't personally found building synergy to be difficult when playing Amon in FM. You can still get something like 3 lights and 4 heavies in an FM list that uses Idrians, vassals, and monks.
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kaernak
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Post by kaernak on Feb 16, 2018 17:31:50 GMT
I haven't personally found building synergy to be difficult when playing Amon in FM. You can still get something like 3 lights and 4 heavies in an FM list that uses Idrians, vassals, and monks. It isn't building it that is the problem. It is getting the most out of it. Let's say your three lights are dervishes. They generally hit. Your remaining 4 heavies have +3 from synergy and that is great.
In CM, I have 4 dervishes, 4 crusaders, a Templar and a devout. The same 3 dervishes build synergy and now I have 7 jacks left with +3 from synergy and everything dies. I've had one dervish kill 2 raek's from full health in the same activation. It can get ridiculous.
There is nothing wrong with playing Amon in FM at all. It is just a very different sort of game plan.
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Post by correlion on Feb 19, 2018 6:42:58 GMT
True. Also if your opponent have managed to destroy 2-3 of your jacks. You have to use your heavies to build synergy.
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Post by eggory on Feb 20, 2018 1:54:09 GMT
I think the real trick to getting the most out of synergy is more jacks! This is what I've been running. With so many jacks in the list its nothing to run a dervish up 14" and tie things up until you can get the crusaders in there maxed out.
High Allegiant Amon Ad-Raza - WJ: +29 - Crusader - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10) - Crusader - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10) - Crusader - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 9) - Crusader - PC: 10 - Crusader - PC: 10 - Dervish - PC: 7 - Dervish - PC: 7 - Dervish - PC: 7 - Dervish - PC: 7 - Dervish - PC: 7 - Dervish - PC: 7
The Covenant of Menoth - PC: 0 Vassal of Menoth - PC: 0 Vassal of Menoth - PC: 0 Vassal Mechanik - PC: 1 Vassal Mechanik - PC: 1 Vassal Mechanik - PC: 1 Wrack - PC: 1
Choir of Menoth - Leader & 3 Grunts: 4 Choir of Menoth - Leader & 3 Grunts: 4
THEME: The Creator's Might
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Post by correlion on Feb 20, 2018 15:15:40 GMT
gremlin swarm can ruin your day =)
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Cyel
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Post by Cyel on Feb 20, 2018 15:54:10 GMT
A Vessel of Judgement instead of 1 Crusader, 1 Dervish and 1 Mechanik could be a nice solution - magical shooting, unjamming with Admonisher and easy area repair are certainly things this list could use.
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kaernak
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Post by kaernak on Feb 20, 2018 16:42:10 GMT
I rock almost the same list. 4 crusader, 4 dervish, Templar, and devout is my line up.
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Post by correlion on Feb 21, 2018 8:39:45 GMT
A Vessel of Judgement instead of 1 Crusader, 1 Dervish and 1 Mechanik could be a nice solution - magical shooting, unjamming with Admonisher and easy area repair are certainly things this list could use. I am using Sanctifier, because you can't hit gremlins with VoJ guns
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blakeh1
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Post by blakeh1 on Feb 21, 2018 18:21:12 GMT
A Vessel of Judgement instead of 1 Crusader, 1 Dervish and 1 Mechanik could be a nice solution - magical shooting, unjamming with Admonisher and easy area repair are certainly things this list could use. I am using Sanctifier, because you can't hit gremlins with VoJ guns I like bringing Rhoven and Co in Creator's Might for reasons like that Rhoven has an awesome Magic Ability 8 3" POW 14 AOE and Guis and Cassian both have blassed weapon master magic weapons. Plus you get two Shield Guards on top of it
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Post by macdaddy on Feb 21, 2018 19:06:27 GMT
I am using Sanctifier, because you can't hit gremlins with VoJ guns I like bringing Rhoven and Co in Creator's Might for reasons like that Rhoven has an awesome Magic Ability 8 3" POW 14 AOE and Guis and Cassian both have blassed weapon master magic weapons. Plus you get two Shield Guards on top of it Yeah rhoven and Company are kind of awesome for a lot of reasons.
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kaernak
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Post by kaernak on Feb 21, 2018 20:54:36 GMT
Is there an argument for an indictor over a Templar?
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