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Feb 13, 2018 13:57:55 GMT
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Post by lovehugs on Feb 13, 2018 13:57:55 GMT
Playing 35 or 50pt games is a good way to have casual games.
I'd recommend getting as many of those in with people as you can. They're still will be some really strong lists, but as long as you are learning your models and rules, the jump to 75 won't be so scary. Eventually you'll have a solid 50pt list and think, man, I could use this solo and another warjack to really make this list good.
Hey, don't worry too much about the social side of asking for more games. Worst case scenario they say they aren't interested in teaching a newbie, to which you call em a nerd for playing toy soldiers in their 30's and ride off into the sunset with some hot babe on the back of your bike.
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gorsk
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Post by gorsk on Feb 13, 2018 14:42:12 GMT
Lovehugs, I like your strategy except that I was 30 a little more than 15 years ago. The good point about that is my wife can ride on the back of my Harley-Davidson. š
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Feb 13, 2018 14:57:21 GMT
Post by bundeez on Feb 13, 2018 14:57:21 GMT
...On social media, warmachine/hordes is the most talked about tabletop game out. I know this, cause I personally measured this. The discussion between games like infinity, Warhammer, and so on don't even come close to the number of posts or discussions. This, however; can be explained because most of those other games have a direct website forum that people can go too... Can you elaborate on this? Because I don't see it that way. In my experience, podcast and youtube channels are way less active/dead these days. Take Chain Attack (the podcast) as an example: Before, they played several games each week for the weekly podcast, often attended tournaments and generally played and talked about the game a lot. Now? Games are rare, they briefly rate casters and have introduced board games to their content now. I don't want to start a discussion on the podcast or the guys behind it, I just notice that their excitement and interest in the game seems very low compared to a couple of years ago. (Yes I know some or a lot of that can be related to real life, burnout, podcast fatigue etc. But some of it has to be the game itself as well) In short, point me towards the active areas (Not Facebook pls)
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Feb 14, 2018 2:48:29 GMT
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Post by kuririnad on Feb 14, 2018 2:48:29 GMT
In my experience, podcast and youtube channels are way less active/dead these days.Ā Sure, Chain attack has fewer battle reports, but I feel like I am finding new websites, podcasts, or YouTube channels every week. Line of Sight, Advanced Maneuvers, Arcane Assist, Crippled System, L2Wargame... There's also constantly battle reports on this forum, not to mention the official content PP puts out and the battle reports on the CID forums.
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Feb 14, 2018 3:50:31 GMT
Im not a herald of the end times. But i did notice that since they stopped with the pressgangers program (or mebbe it was the just the mk3 launch?) there are hardly any tournaments being organised anymore outside of the bigs ones (masters/cons). The local steamrolers are litteraly back at 0 in my country and new players are non existend. I was wondering if other area's have the same. Or that it is a local problem. If its a trend i would hope that PP see's / hears from it and tries to remedy it. As i kinda like / am invested in the game It's up to you and your community to organize events. Within a 1 hour drive of my house there's 3-4 local stores with game nights and typically 1-2 SR a month with 12-18 people. We've got a few people who commit a lot of time to organizing this and others help out when they can.
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Post by Lanz on Feb 14, 2018 4:11:18 GMT
Im not a herald of the end times. But i did notice that since they stopped with the pressgangers program (or mebbe it was the just the mk3 launch?) there are hardly any tournaments being organised anymore outside of the bigs ones (masters/cons). The local steamrolers are litteraly back at 0 in my country and new players are non existend. I was wondering if other area's have the same. Or that it is a local problem. If its a trend i would hope that PP see's / hears from it and tries to remedy it. As i kinda like / am invested in the game It's up to you and your community to organize events. Within a 1 hour drive of my house there's 3-4 local stores with game nights and typically 1-2 SR a month with 12-18 people. We've got a few people who commit a lot of time to organizing this and others help out when they can. Our pressganger basically said Firetruck it and kept doing tournaments anyways without the title.
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Feb 14, 2018 4:17:30 GMT
Post by minmaximus on Feb 14, 2018 4:17:30 GMT
Honestly more talk and practice of 35-50 point games would probably be great for the more casual scene. While the smaller point costs really change up whats strong since you have much less room for support, it would probably be great for getting people to recognize what makes certain lists strong, what certain themes actually need and if nothing else is a good place to play at when you're wondering what to fill the last quarter of your list with.
I've seen plenty of people confuse "this theme needs more options" with "this theme simply cannot fill out a 75 point list reasonably" and the two are drastically different things in practice.
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Feb 14, 2018 4:30:54 GMT
Post by isotope on Feb 14, 2018 4:30:54 GMT
It's up to you and your community to organize events. Within a 1 hour drive of my house there's 3-4 local stores with game nights and typically 1-2 SR a month with 12-18 people. We've got a few people who commit a lot of time to organizing this and others help out when they can. Our pressganger basically said Firetruck it and kept doing tournaments anyways without the title. I've given my store credit from a win to the organizers, try to make them feel appreciated.
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Feb 14, 2018 13:02:49 GMT
Post by ForEver_Blight on Feb 14, 2018 13:02:49 GMT
It's up to you and your community to organize events. Within a 1 hour drive of my house there's 3-4 local stores with game nights and typically 1-2 SR a month with 12-18 people. We've got a few people who commit a lot of time to organizing this and others help out when they can. Our pressganger basically said Firetruck it and kept doing tournaments anyways without the title. Get that man a cookie I tried (and succeeded to some degree as I got told by others I was "press gang-ing" new players by letting them win) but I'm no tournament organizer... I'm just a friendly player/teacher. I've literally bought $60 models, on two different occasions, that other players wanted for their faction just to try and keep them in the game. Never saw the models or the players again. (Ok, I did see the Despolier once, but it was just to show me how he painted it. Didn't see it on the table)
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Feb 14, 2018 14:48:15 GMT
Post by darkshroud on Feb 14, 2018 14:48:15 GMT
Playing 35 or 50pt games is a good way to have casual games. I'd recommend getting as many of those in with people as you can. They're still will be some really strong lists, but as long as you are learning your models and rules, the jump to 75 won't be so scary. Eventually you'll have a solid 50pt list and think, man, I could use this solo and another warjack to really make this list good. Hey, don't worry too much about the social side of asking for more games. Worst case scenario they say they aren't interested in teaching a newbie, to which you call em a nerd for playing toy soldiers in their 30's and ride off into the sunset with some hot babe on the back of your bike. just play rumble games. pretty much their exact purpose. you get into the action quicker and therefore are shorter games. i should play more of them... would be hilarious with 75 pt games. but i guess it makes for easy bottom of turn one kills.
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Feb 14, 2018 16:12:43 GMT
Post by jpgreat1 on Feb 14, 2018 16:12:43 GMT
...On social media, warmachine/hordes is the most talked about tabletop game out. I know this, cause I personally measured this. The discussion between games like infinity, Warhammer, and so on don't even come close to the number of posts or discussions. This, however; can be explained because most of those other games have a direct website forum that people can go too... Can you elaborate on this? Because I don't see it that way. In my experience, podcast and youtube channels are way less active/dead these days. Take Chain Attack (the podcast) as an example: Before, they played several games each week for the weekly podcast, often attended tournaments and generally played and talked about the game a lot. Now? Games are rare, they briefly rate casters and have introduced board games to their content now. I don't want to start a discussion on the podcast or the guys behind it, I just notice that their excitement and interest in the game seems very low compared to a couple of years ago. (Yes I know some or a lot of that can be related to real life, burnout, podcast fatigue etc. But some of it has to be the game itself as well) In short, point me towards the active areas (Not Facebook pls) I am talking about facebook and twitter. Unless a spoiler or some big tournament comes out, generally warmachine beats any other game by a couple of 100 posts. Again this can be explained because many of those other sites have there own forums and PP wanted to use social media more.
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Post by HereComesTomorrow on Feb 20, 2018 10:17:11 GMT
I think a big problem is themes and the cost of models.
I had a friend who plays Ret who wanted to enter a tournament and asked for advice because he hasn't played much in Mk3. When I told him you basically need to play in theme now he rolled his eyes and wrote a list that requires a second unit of Sentinels. Thats when he found out Sentinels and the UA are ā¬60.
That is a Firetrucking mental price for 12 hard plastic, monopose models. If he hadn't been able to get them second hand from another of friends he just wouldn't have botheredd
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Feb 20, 2018 10:28:19 GMT
Speaking as a perpetually new player (I have played 3 games in this my first year), Warmachine has a dauntingly steep learning curve. There are three stores playing within an hour. New York and Philly are reasonably close for weekends. Players are focused on getting in reps for the next tournament or working with their teams. My challenge is that I can only play on weekends. I need to be less introverted and ask for more games. When I go out to the store on weekends, the guys are nice. One or two even took some time to slog through what had to be a painfully slow 50 Point game with me. But I left feeling that I need to finish getting a 75 point list table ready (models attached to bases with arcs marked) and spend serious time studying general rules and my modelsā rules. Warmachine does have a very steep learning curve, a good way to learn more about the game and other armies is to watch youtube videos of battles, Advanced Manoeuvres is good as they speed the footage up and the players five their commentary over the top, Arcane Assist is also good. lots of tournaments also live stream games and then put up the footage, usually with commentary.
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Post by Cyel on Feb 20, 2018 11:13:56 GMT
I think a big problem is themes and the cost of models. I had a friend who plays Ret who wanted to enter a tournament and asked for advice because he hasn't played much in Mk3. When I told him you basically need to play in theme now he rolled his eyes and wrote a list that requires a second unit of Sentinels. Thats when he found out Sentinels and the UA are ā¬60. That is a Firetrucking mental price for 12 hard plastic, monopose models. If he hadn't been able to get them second hand from another of friends he just wouldn't have botheredd I agree that themes are a huge problem for returning players. People in my gaming group were pretty active in mk2, but their collections were very varied. Being forced to purchase multiples of models they already have and leaving other models (painted and battle-ready) on the shelf is a big deterrent. Damn, I hate the themes in their current, "compulsory" mode :/
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Post by gorsk on Feb 20, 2018 12:50:39 GMT
Why not run āno-themeā steamroller events? Sure, it doesnāt help you prep for the next team tournament, but it sure would make for a fun side event at a convention or regular game night.
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