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Post by ForEver_Blight on Feb 7, 2018 22:28:06 GMT
A change to the THEME not the model. Lol... ok. You can stay in the salt mine then. You cannot insult someone who has already admitted, themselves, to said insult. You, however, are just being a dick. |
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Post by greytemplar on Feb 7, 2018 22:36:22 GMT
After mulling it over a bit I have some thoughts.
Chariots: Initially I thought a slam dual attack pow20 gun with pow 20 collateral was nuts. But it is its only attack other than the mount, and it is only moderately durable. So it seems like a fair way to go. D3+1 aoes with high explosive on the other hand seems a little strong. Though again it is highly specialized.
Tankers: They seem pretty fair overall, if a little undercosted. Suppression Tanker is some hardcore infantry hate. Dual attack might be a little strong as he can't be tied up and engaged. But even at arm21 they'll still go down reasonably quickly. Siege Tanker might be a little too strong. Armor piercing + additional die vs huge bases is some silly damage output. They both could probably use a point increase. Maybe 8 for both.
Colossals: Ok, if the conquest and victor are going down to 35/36 then most other colossals need huge drops too. This could be fair if, and only if, other colossals receive similar drops. 35 points for arm20, 62 boxes, and P+S23 is going to make the Conquest and Victor seriously out compete most other colossals till they come into line.
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Post by darkshroud on Feb 7, 2018 23:11:05 GMT
if the conquest and victor are going down to 35/36 then most other colossals need huge drops too. Theyre 37/38 not sure id consider that huge. but i guess a 4pt model going to 2 pts is pretty significant. looking at other factions, kraken going from 36 to 34? i mean, i wont complain. (im a cryx player, username checks out, right?) but i guess, for me, 2 pts here or there on those huge pt models never helped me any. id rather see an ability adjustment and keep the price tags. |
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Post by Fire Step on Feb 7, 2018 23:29:04 GMT
My only true disappointment is that butcher2 didn't manage to make it in. However, Malakov2 did, and that's fantastic. I think I played him once last year and really didn't get what they were going for.
The rest of it is interesting. Really glad to see the marauder and the juggernaut gain points- they've both been outliers for hitting and damaging for their points for a while. This definitely hints that other factions should also be aware, I don't think the trusty crusader will remain at ten points for a very similar example.
The other good thing is the berserker and mad dog getting a look in. Maybe they will be worth using again rather than collecting dust on my shelf.
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Post by The Snark Knight on Feb 8, 2018 0:35:05 GMT
Slightly disappointed by the point increases to Juggernauts and Marauders, but not overly surprised. Mostly just not having a 12 point warjack is making my list building slightly more irritating.
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Post by isotope on Feb 8, 2018 0:49:41 GMT
Can I get a 34 point Galleon??
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Post by oncomingstorm on Feb 8, 2018 1:33:44 GMT
Suppression Tanker is the only thing that strikes me as clearly egregious. He's an assassination piece, infantry clearer, and flagsitter par extraordinaire...for 6 points (or more likely, free). With Vlad2, he gets a ridiculous 20" threat, with potential boosts and HoF. That kills a LOT of casters...and you can have two of them.
POSSIBLY Sorscha3 is too good. She has two really good passives, (like, feat level good, almost) but her spell list is decidedly meh, and her feat (while good) isn't awe-inspiring. We'll see.
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Post by whiskeydave on Feb 8, 2018 2:07:35 GMT
Lol... ok. You can stay in the salt mine then. You cannot insult someone who has already admitted, themselves, to said insult. You, however, are just being a dick. lol... You are funny. 18 > 16!!! Sky Falling!!! |
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Post by mcdermott on Feb 8, 2018 2:41:33 GMT
Lol... ok. You can stay in the salt mine then. You cannot insult someone who has already admitted, themselves, to said insult. You, however, are just being a dick. At least he's not whining to a forum full of people whose life is unaffected at all if you boycott PP. It bugs you that much take command of your own entertainment and quit to find something you actually enjoy. |
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Post by isotope on Feb 8, 2018 3:57:15 GMT
Suppression Tanker is the only thing that strikes me as clearly egregious. He's an assassination piece, infantry clearer, and flagsitter par extraordinaire...for 6 points (or more likely, free). With Vlad2, he gets a ridiculous 20" threat, with potential boosts and HoF. That kills a LOT of casters...and you can have two of them. POSSIBLY Sorscha3 is too good. She has two really good passives, (like, feat level good, almost) but her spell list is decidedly meh, and her feat (while good) isn't awe-inspiring. We'll see. What? A caster that can stand on the front lines and realistically be DEF 14(16 to guns/spells)/ARM20 with countercharing jacks that have flank to go in on anything that comes close to her? |
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Post by oncomingstorm on Feb 8, 2018 4:03:38 GMT
Suppression Tanker is the only thing that strikes me as clearly egregious. He's an assassination piece, infantry clearer, and flagsitter par extraordinaire...for 6 points (or more likely, free). With Vlad2, he gets a ridiculous 20" threat, with potential boosts and HoF. That kills a LOT of casters...and you can have two of them. POSSIBLY Sorscha3 is too good. She has two really good passives, (like, feat level good, almost) but her spell list is decidedly meh, and her feat (while good) isn't awe-inspiring. We'll see. What? A caster that can stand on the front lines and realistically be DEF 14(16 to guns/spells)/ARM20 with countercharing jacks that have flank to go in on anything that comes close to her? She's a weird caster. Tons of personal contribution, two very strong passives, but also, a not particularly strong spell list, and a not...overly impressive feat. Cloudwall is neat, but it's no Nightfall. She's not a caster I'm comfortable judging OP without getting some games into her. By contrast, the Suppression Tanker is OP. End of story. |
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Post by killroundears on Feb 8, 2018 8:21:57 GMT
I'm very bored by CIDs focused on very tanky hard to kill models. I just hate meat mountain. i'll not be following this one at all
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Post by smoothcriminal on Feb 8, 2018 9:01:10 GMT
They're fundamentally changing colossals vs. heavies math. It used to be 3x cheap heavies per colossal which was strictly in favor of heavies, not anymore.
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Post by Fire Step on Feb 8, 2018 9:21:20 GMT
They're fundamentally changing colossals vs. heavies math. It used to be 3x cheap heavies per colossal which was strictly in favor of heavies, not anymore. I'm very happy with the colossal changes. Colossals have been in dire need of a tweak for a while, in either output or cost. I'm not sure what the comparison value for them is meant to be - in khadors case the conquest has 62 boxes, has five pow 23 swings (when walking) two infantry control guns and a big gun, but costed over three juggernauts, who together would put out 9 pow 19 attacks. It's a tricky one, because when colossal (colossi?) hang around past turn 4 their value skyrockets, as there's nothing left behind to deal with them. Anyway, stream of consciousness over. |
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Feb 8, 2018 9:25:53 GMT
Can I get a points reduction on my Stormwall and Hurricane?...  |
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