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Post by zwergenkrieger on Jan 13, 2018 22:32:43 GMT
Hi,
after playing lots and lots of beast heavy lists (and some blindwater themed lists which were heavily based on multiple units of Gatormen) I thought it might be time to change some things. Therefore Iḿ highly interested in what infantry heavy Minions lists you like to field. I tried some Carver - double Slaughterhousers - double Brigands lists to some minor success, but nothing I really felt comfortable with.
Thanks in advance
ZK
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Post by Azahul on Jan 14, 2018 1:30:20 GMT
I'm not sure "beloved" is the right word, but my most successful infantry heavy list have been various Midas builds in Thornfall Alliance featuring Efaarit, Alten Ashley, Brigands, and a smattering of Bone Grinders. It's not terribly uncommon for me to face Skorne as two out of every four opponents I see at the average local tournament, so sinking hard into the anti-Hordes tech usually pays off well.
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Post by Gaston on Jan 14, 2018 1:46:06 GMT
I'm not sure "beloved" is the right word, but my most successful infantry heavy list have been various Midas builds in Thornfall Alliance featuring Efaarit, Alten Ashley, Brigands, and a smattering of Bone Grinders. It's not terribly uncommon for me to face Skorne as two out of every four opponents I see at the average local tournament, so sinking hard into the anti-Hordes tech usually pays off well. Helga double Brigands, min Ambushers, double Razor Backs? |
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Post by Azahul on Jan 14, 2018 2:02:54 GMT
Helga double Brigands, min Ambushers, double Razor Backs? YOU RUN HELGA WRONG |
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Post by Gaston on Jan 14, 2018 2:16:53 GMT
Helga double Brigands, min Ambushers, double Razor Backs? YOU RUN HELGA WRONG I AM SO SORRY SEMPAI |
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Post by onijet01 on Jan 14, 2018 4:10:35 GMT
I have a okay helga list thats fairly fast out of the gate. I dont know if its considered infantry heavy but it has a total of 48 pts of infantry models (10 pts worth free) and that adds up to 16 models.
Honestly its a beast heavy block but the list is super fast with helga.
Its kinda min maxed for dilivery of a feated army.
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Post by zwergenkrieger on Jan 14, 2018 8:05:34 GMT
Thanks for your answers right now! I'm not sure "beloved" is the right word, but my most successful infantry heavy list have been various Midas builds in Thornfall Alliance featuring Efaarit, Alten Ashley, Brigands, and a smattering of Bone Grinders. It's not terribly uncommon for me to face Skorne as two out of every four opponents I see at the average local tournament, so sinking hard into the anti-Hordes tech usually pays off well. Mmhh yes, I read almost all of your batreps regarding that special army (at least all you posted here). Guess I have to try that style of army. I pretty much own all the needed models to simply copy your list as a starting point for my own experiences. On the other hand I´m thinking about Jaga-Jaga-Bone-Grinders-heavy. Can´t exactly say why but I assume that Jaga Jaga and Bone Grinders make for a good team against Hordes (and some living models heavy warmachine lists). I have a okay helga list thats fairly fast out of the gate. I dont know if its considered infantry heavy but it has a total of 48 pts of infantry models (10 pts worth free) and that adds up to 16 models. Honestly its a beast heavy block but the list is super fast with helga. Its kinda min maxed for dilivery of a feated army. Would you like to talk about? Especially what do you mean by "delivering a feated army"? I´ve never got anything spectecular out of Helga´s Feat. |
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Post by Azahul on Jan 14, 2018 8:32:03 GMT
Mmhh yes, I read almost all of your batreps regarding that special army (at least all you posted here). Guess I have to try that style of army. I pretty much own all the needed models to simply copy your list as a starting point for my own experiences. On the other hand I´m thinking about Jaga-Jaga-Bone-Grinders-heavy. Can´t exactly say why but I assume that Jaga Jaga and Bone Grinders make for a good team against Hordes (and some living models heavy warmachine lists). Oh boy, I'm not sure I'd actually recommend those lists unless you have a Hordes-heavy meta as well. But I guess if you want to give them a shot... Post-Blindwater releases I have a non-theme Midas with Shamblers list that I'm hankering to try. If I can't get that to work, I may go back to iterating on the Bone Grinder version. I may be the only pig player running Thornfall Alliance in the end!  Either way, I want to go back to documenting more of my games (with pictures, I am determined to finally sort out my camera issues), so I guess we'll all see how those go. |
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Post by superrunes on Jan 14, 2018 13:29:56 GMT
I have played helga with lots of infantry pretty succesfully. The infantry is decent with dash, and you can jam a lot with it. Also, slaughterhousers still hit hard.
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Post by onijet01 on Jan 14, 2018 19:08:58 GMT
@ zwergenkrieger
Well what i mean by Delivering a feated army is this.
The Army is in the Will Work for Food theme list so my models are limited.
The List is
Helga the Conquerer.
-Gatorman Soul Slave
Warbeasts:
Road Hog (x2)
War Hog
Battle Boar (x2)
Razor Boar(x2)
Units:
Farrow Valkyries (x3)
*Farrow Bone Grinders Min (x2)
Solo:
Orin Midwinter, Rogue Inquisitor
*Swamp Gobber Chef (x2)
So the List uses the theme Benifits to Maximise the Speed of all models in the army. With Most warbeasts being able to run forward 14 inches on turn 1. the Razor Boars will ether use "Still as Death" and Charge up the field 9 inches or run up to 16 inches based on opponents army.
Helga Will cast "Defenders Ward" On one unit of Ferrow Valkyries and throw out "Dash" FOr her units then charge 9inches up the field to end her movement.
Her infantry will run (hopefully inder Dash) an Average of 12 Inches into positions that the Valkyrie can protect the Beasts, Objectives, and Helga with Shield Guard. (I know Arm 17 or 19 with WD upkept, 5hp is not so great for shield guarding but its something)
The Gatorman Soul Slave, and Ferrow Bone Grinders are in the list to support Helga. Using free Upkeeps and spell Slaving or Simply granting Extra range to Helga's Spells.
The Swamp Gobber Chef also makes use of The bone Grinders as a Comfort Food Target on the turns you Run Hot on Fury. Orin Allows for some Anit Spell Assassination Control Tech. SO he is worth a free solo.
Alternatively
*I could Run Agata, queen of Carnage and a Unit of Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew for the same 7 pts but Im not sure whats better.
THe list has Ranged Control and speed enough to enter Zones on turn 2 with Still having Tricks. Razor Boar Counter Charges are used when an opponent charges my Heavy Beasts to block some charge lanes. Also I like Helga having Counter Charge in the pocket.
If I go up against a hard Target. (Warcaster, Colossal/Gargantuan, or High Armor Models) I can through Primal and Gang Fighter Feild Martial Ability. I can Swing a Possible +4 Mat and Dmg. as well As Using Distraction TO impose a -2 Def.
I know the list has a weakness in shooting (Being my only Shooting Units are Cylenna Raefyll & nyss Hunters, Dannon Blythe & Bull, Greygore Boomhowler and Co. and Lynus Wesselbaum & Edrea Lloryrr) I decided to Focus on Better Infantry Numbers and Solid Melee Beasts. My two Road Hogs were Chosen For their Assaulting sprays and Decent Melee Damage. (that and they are fast) War hog Is my Hardest hitting Model at a potential at 2 P+S 22 and 1 P=S 21 On a potential Mat 12 frame.
Honestly lacking alot of my favorit models i built the list to be survivable and Fast.
Helgas Feat brings me the option of Slams and That can be used to control Zones and flags.
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Post by vomath on Jan 14, 2018 19:15:33 GMT
If you're not playing River Raiders with Helga then you just have no idea what you're missing.
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Post by gobber on Jan 14, 2018 19:35:21 GMT
Yeah that second unit of bonegrinders needs to become river raiders at a minimum. They'll deliver the enemy to you. Then use the extra point to upgrade a chef to a feralgeist?
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Post by onijet01 on Jan 14, 2018 19:36:31 GMT
If you're not playing River Raiders with Helga then you just have no idea what you're missing. That is more an opinion Over fact. Yes they can be good But their points can be better spent on other models. As a Solo they are okay but not Worth Including in my Helga list. In Fact If you USE River Raiders your weakening Helga. Now i do jest but NO THEY ARE NOT A AUTO INCLUDE. it depends on what you build the list with Helga to do. In my case it can Mulch infantry well and Is a anti Armor Drop. But Struggles against models that River Raiders struggle against anyway. |
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Post by vomath on Jan 15, 2018 0:45:57 GMT
My comment was not intended to convey strength but rather enjoyment. Helga can be built a handful of ways, but I don't think any is more fun than with River Raiders.
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Post by Gaston on Jan 15, 2018 1:54:42 GMT
I do not believe using River Raiders weakens Helga.
They do Weaken your opponent's models.
#pigpuns
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