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Post by WolfsSOL on Apr 2, 2017 4:12:30 GMT
One of the biggest problems I've been running into lately is large numbers of infantry vs Kreoss 3. Running into more a mix of heavies and infantry I've been thinking of changing my last round to include flameguard cleansers.
Using Death Sentence as a bit of a RAT fixer and assault order to clear out infantry while the rest of my list sticks to smashing armor.
Has anyone tried this before?
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Post by demonic on Apr 2, 2017 7:04:29 GMT
I must say, that sounds like an interesting combo with the cleansers, especially if they have their standard. Sure, there are several different casters that work better with cleansers but you could put a wall of Exemplar Cinerators in front of them (even use them as targets) and make a deadly combo. I'd love to see the look on Cygnar faces when they see their own tactic (e-leap into your own units) used against them @.@
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Post by chillychinaman on Apr 2, 2017 21:03:26 GMT
I've liked using a Bastion Seneshcal with a marshaled Repenters. RAT7 sprays are nice plus it won't go down until you completely crush it.
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Post by WolfsSOL on Apr 2, 2017 21:31:33 GMT
I've liked using a Bastion Seneshcal with a marshaled Repenters. RAT7 sprays are nice plus it won't go down until you completely crush it. That's not a bad idea, sometimes i forget that we have jack marshals |
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Post by demonic on Apr 2, 2017 21:59:19 GMT
interesting thought, would the repenter be able to aim as well as receive the jack marshal order? that'd put him up to RAT9  I run HoJ with Feora so I generally don't need to worry about hitting issues (all range auto boosted hits). I also leave out a castigator in front of my cleansers so I can get the aiming bonus whenever they charge in on it. If my flame list didn't use the theme I'd definitely be using the Cinerators instead |
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Post by chillychinaman on Apr 3, 2017 1:50:27 GMT
The repenter /can/ aim, but with SPR8, it's a bit hard to do in practice. If you're also coupling it with Death Sentence, it's a bit exessive.
I'm not 100% sure what your Castigator trick is trying to do, but keep in mind you can no longer charge friendly models. From what I understand, you're body blocking using the Castigator and spraying through it right? Not a bad trick, but I think a Reckoner is better unless you're strapped for points due to its gun and 2" melee.
Another idea is to combo Death Sentence with an aiming Redeemer.
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Post by demonic on Apr 3, 2017 5:27:36 GMT
So the Repenter, under a jack marshal, can both aim and receive the take aim! order? The Reckoner would be another way to do it, yes. As long as the frontal body is immune to flames. Instead of charging your own models, you are spraying your own models (using them as the target). Since they are immune to flame they receive no damage. Using this, you can theoretically spray through forests while your opponents are standing just on the other side. It's something people to often in my current meta, they block LoS using terrain features, which has no effect on the tail end of a spray. Using cleansers, you target your fire immune model and let the continuation of the spray hit them anyways. On mini-feat turn, you still have plenty of length left after smacking through a heavy base, but the cinerators are only medium base and there are more of them... I just don't have them or the points in my list to use them  Oh, plus I can't use Exemplars in the theme list |
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Post by WolfsSOL on Apr 3, 2017 8:49:48 GMT
The repenter /can/ aim, but with SPR8, it's a bit hard to do in practice. If you're also coupling it with Death Sentence, it's a bit exessive. I'm not 100% sure what your Castigator trick is trying to do, but keep in mind you can no longer charge friendly models. From what I understand, you're body blocking using the Castigator and spraying through it right? Not a bad trick, but I think a Reckoner is better unless you're strapped for points due to its gun and 2" melee. Another idea is to combo Death Sentence with an aiming Redeemer. I'll take a Castigator over a Reckoner for the ability to two handed throw, using that and force hammer has kept several heavies flying back into there own lines. |
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Post by silent on Apr 5, 2017 19:16:04 GMT
So the Repenter, under a jack marshal, can both aim and receive the take aim! order? The "Take aim!" order gives a bonus to damage rolls, as well as requiring the Warjack to forfeit its movement in orderto aim. So it's a +2 to hit and +2 to wound with any ranged attacks at the cost of movement. |
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Post by Andrivan on Apr 12, 2017 2:16:21 GMT
The Reckoner would be another way to do it, yes. As long as the frontal body is immune to flames. Instead of charging your own models, you are spraying your own models (using them as the target). Since they are immune to flame they receive no damage. Using this, you can theoretically spray through forests while your opponents are standing just on the other side. It's something people to often in my current meta, they block LoS using terrain features, which has no effect on the tail end of a spray. Using cleansers, you target your fire immune model and let the continuation of the spray hit them anyways. You can't actually do this. If your LoS is blocked by terrain you can't spray the target. (pg 54 Sprays). As well you cannot see completely through a forest irregardless of how large it is. |
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Post by demonic on Apr 12, 2017 3:25:23 GMT
The Reckoner would be another way to do it, yes. As long as the frontal body is immune to flames. Instead of charging your own models, you are spraying your own models (using them as the target). Since they are immune to flame they receive no damage. Using this, you can theoretically spray through forests while your opponents are standing just on the other side. It's something people to often in my current meta, they block LoS using terrain features, which has no effect on the tail end of a spray. Using cleansers, you target your fire immune model and let the continuation of the spray hit them anyways. You can't actually do this. If your LoS is blocked by terrain you can't spray the target. (pg 54 Sprays). As well you cannot see completely through a forest irregardless of how large it is. Sorry to disagree x.O; a spray template hits everything underneath it, regardless of terrain features, thus as long as you can see the model you are targeting, you can still get a full roll on things that are not. For example: I want to spray a line of Karax on the opposite side of a forest with my Hand of Judgment. Since I don't have line of sight to the Karax, my Hand of Judgment cannot target them. However, if I first activate a different unit and move it directly inbetween my Hand of Judgment and the Karax, I can use my own, visible unit as my target and still damage everything under the spray template, including the Karax on the other side of the forest. Make sense? |
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Post by Andrivan on Apr 12, 2017 9:33:29 GMT
You can't actually do this. If your LoS is blocked by terrain you can't spray the target. (pg 54 Sprays). As well you cannot see completely through a forest irregardless of how large it is. Sorry to disagree x.O; a spray template hits everything underneath it, regardless of terrain features, thus as long as you can see the model you are targeting, you can still get a full roll on things that are not. For example: I want to spray a line of Karax on the opposite side of a forest with my Hand of Judgment. Since I don't have line of sight to the Karax, my Hand of Judgment cannot target them. However, if I first activate a different unit and move it directly inbetween my Hand of Judgment and the Karax, I can use my own, visible unit as my target and still damage everything under the spray template, including the Karax on the other side of the forest. Make sense? You are wrong. I gave you a page reference. I politely suggest you go back over it again. Namely "A model under the spray template cannot be hit by the attack if the attacker’s line of sight to it is completely blocked by terrain." |
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Post by demonic on Apr 12, 2017 19:09:13 GMT
dear lord, you're right! last sentence of the paragraph; must have skipped it while looking for the piece I was looking for.
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Post by Andrivan on Apr 13, 2017 3:12:58 GMT
dear lord, you're right! last sentence of the paragraph; must have skipped it while looking for the piece I was looking for. j No big deal. We've all been caught by the Mk3 changes bug. Sprays are still very effective, especially for getting around shield guards (stock is going to go even higher when Grymkin release) |
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I run HoJ with Feora so I generally don't need to worry about hitting issues (all range auto boosted hits). I also leave out a castigator in front of my cleansers so I can get the aiming bonus whenever they charge in on it. If my flame list didn't use the theme I'd definitely be using the Cinerators instead
Oh, plus I can't use Exemplars in the theme list 
