martini
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Post by martini on Jan 11, 2018 22:37:25 GMT
Give her another gimmick - cmd 12. Make Cataclysm better by counting the inches from the arc node or make it cheaper and auto hit again. Feat should also be magical dmg. Or change the feat to something else like full heal herself and all warrior models/units in control or cmd 12.
As for Purification, just remove it from Kreoss1 and give him something else, like Crusaders Call or something.
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Post by dicebedamned on Jan 12, 2018 13:30:48 GMT
I like the FOC7 + 3 idea...
What I really don't understand is why PP continue to tie everything in to a caster's focus stat. Considering the number of models that share spells, abilities etc, why tie things in to a stat when you could just state the distance.
So instead of Purification being CMD or CTRL, just give it a fixed value, say 12" for example. This way, FOC and how good an ability is on a caster (in regards to threat) are separated, allowing PP to buff either INDEPENDENTLY of one another. Want Harby to be FOC 10, but don't want Martyr to be 20", np, just state how far Martyr works... problem solved. It would also open up design space. Currently, when wanting to give out any ability or spell which is range CTRL, the FOC of the caster has to be considered. Where as if the ability/spell had its own range, it is one less thing that may unintentionally make a caster OP - would also then reduce the cross faction salt.
Going the way described above also means pp can drop the CMD stat on casters entirely. So many times does the whole CMD vs CTRL catch me out, its frustrating trying to remember whether ability x out of a hundred plus abilities triggers by CTRL or CMD.
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draycos
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Post by draycos on Jan 12, 2018 14:55:47 GMT
Where can I find these three Harby Lists?
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Post by killroundears on Jan 12, 2018 20:37:05 GMT
Where can I find these three Harby Lists? It's a hassle going through every single team on the conflict chamber to find them so i screenshotted them for you
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khobai
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Post by khobai on Jan 14, 2018 7:38:53 GMT
Its because higher FOC stat is supposed to be better than lower FOC stat.
FOC10 is supposed to be the best. But Harbinger is so messed up that her CTRL based feat/abilities treat her like she has FOC5. Higher FOC is always better for everyone else but theyve made Harbinger an exception to the rule which I dont like.
Making her FOC7+3 would still be the best compromise IMO. She would still get 10 focus each turn but also get a 14" CTRL radius for her feat/abilities instead of only 10"
But yeah like you said, they should just state the range on feats/abilities instead of tying them into the FOC stat. That makes way more sense. Maybe in Mk4...
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martini
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Post by martini on Jan 14, 2018 11:51:33 GMT
Well maybe focus stat i tied to how powerfull/divine/magical a model is in the fluff. So as Harbi is the voice of Menoth she will have greater foc stat, where Durst for example as a warrior will have foc 6.
Greater foc stat also represents how a caster is better with spells. She can cast more spells or her spells are better (purrifucation) than on other.
To make Harbi feel better to play she needs to change her feat to affect friendly models because then the range is not OP. Also a little boost to command for Awe and Martyrdoom.
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Cyel
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Post by Cyel on Jan 14, 2018 18:04:01 GMT
What's there to redeem ? Harby is awesome in mk3.
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martini
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Post by martini on Jan 14, 2018 21:01:48 GMT
Half of the things she does are in 10" so she feels like a 5 foc caster sometimes.
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draycos
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Post by draycos on Jan 15, 2018 13:35:00 GMT
Where can I find these three Harby Lists? It's a hassle going through every single team on the conflict chamber to find them so i screenshotted them for you Not sure if that was Sarcasm or not, but I do appreciate the screen caps! Thank you!
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Post by killroundears on Jan 15, 2018 14:09:29 GMT
It's a hassle going through every single team on the conflict chamber to find them so i screenshotted them for you Not sure if that was Sarcasm or not, but I do appreciate the screen caps! Thank you! nah wasn't sarcasm, it really is a pain because you have to open up each team, and it'll just say "Protectorate" so then you have to open them up and see what the actual list pair is and if it has harby. It'd be nice if there was a sort function. maybe somewhere else had the lists laid out nicer elsewhere though the only place i knew where to check was conflict chamber
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