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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jan 9, 2018 21:58:02 GMT
What do you guys think of this pairing for Champions tourneys with the new ADR? I did put them both in POD but I also used the Gremlin Swarm and Swamp Gobbers in both lists to hedge my bet on scenario, so maybe I can get away with that. Kolgrimma's feat and Janissa's Shift can shove models out of zones in a pinch, so each list has at least one way to do that. So, Kolgrimma is the most powerful of these four casters and I need more practice with her anyway, and Grim has always been one of my favorites. Beyond that, it does seem that she can take on the gun lines, maybe even Orion, while Grim can slow down some of the really strong melee lists that I can see being done with casters like Kromac or Vlad. Here's the new roster, FYI: privateerpress.com/community/privateer-insider/insider-12-06-2017conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0bj10rjn9Djp0hjqhmfJfJ6R0l0m2N___-0b590rc6jp0hjqhm7d6R0l0m2NTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia (Kolgrima 1) Kolgrima Stonetruth, Winter Witch [+28] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Dire Troll Brawler [16] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Mulg the Ancient [22] - Troll Axer [10] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Gremlin Swarm [3] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Troll Whelps [4] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2] Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia (Grim 1) Grim Angus [+29] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Mountain King [36] - Mulg the Ancient [22] - Troll Axer [10] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Gremlin Swarm [3] Janissa Stonetide [0(4)] Troll Whelps [0(4)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2]
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ravenfire
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Post by ravenfire on Jan 10, 2018 16:54:36 GMT
I think you will suffer against any recursion list of cryx since you have no means to rfp undead models
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joedj
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Post by joedj on Jan 10, 2018 21:22:15 GMT
I think you will suffer against any recursion list of cryx since you have no means to rfp undead models I believe Protectorate has a recursion option also...
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gdnerd
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Post by gdnerd on Jan 10, 2018 23:44:42 GMT
I think you will suffer against any recursion list of cryx since you have no means to rfp undead models I believe Protectorate has a recursion option also... Testament is not in Champions this season.
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Post by Trollock on Jan 11, 2018 9:44:01 GMT
To me, it seems that Kolgrima solves the same match ups as Grim 1 does, but instead of making them slam dunk wins, she makes them favorable. To compensate she is not weak against shooting, she is strong against it even. Therefore it seems at a glance that you might as well drop Kolgrima in to the games where you would drop Grim.
Grim really likes playing against melee things, especially melee infantry with high DEF. Feels like Kolgrimma could play against that just fine.
I think the weakness of the Kolgrima PoD lists lies in scenario play. In live scenarios you will be forced to try and assassinate to end the game. In many cases that will not be possible due to LoS blocking terrain or wot not, and you will be in a bad spot. The Grim list you have does not help with that problem really.
I think the companion to Kolgrima PoD should be a SotN or BoH list that can play in to many match ups but that is stronger on scenario, rather than another PoD brick.
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Post by allinontrolls on Jan 11, 2018 13:30:28 GMT
The main problem at our current adr roster is that we do not have a good infantry caster for boh or sotn. But adr could help to cover the weaknesses for kolgrimas scenario play. In my opinion Jack spam is one of the biggest weaknesses of kolgrima . Like harkevich karchev or bradigus. I would think ragnor could handle these matchups in adr.
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Post by Trollock on Jan 11, 2018 14:54:40 GMT
The main problem at our current adr roster is that we do not have a good infantry caster for boh or sotn. But adr could help to cover the weaknesses for kolgrimas scenario play. In my opinion Jack spam is one of the biggest weaknesses of kolgrima . Like harkevich karchev or bradigus. I would think ragnor could handle these matchups in adr. You do not think Borka 2 could be an excellent SotN caster? Seems to me like he could play a very fast and mobile list that would mess with any one who was planning on win on scenario... conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0GiViRjoiUjq6Gj20li-iZiZezezj5Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Storm of the North (Borka 2) Borka, Vengeance of the Rimeshaws [+27] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Pyre Troll [8] - Rok [19] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Valka Curseborn, Chieftain of the North [0(6)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Northkin Elder [3] Northkin Bear Handle & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Bear Handle & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Northkin Raiders (max) [15]
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jan 11, 2018 17:15:58 GMT
Trollock Do you mean to pair that with Grim or Kolgrimma? I do see how she is stronger but I also find her harder to play. I guess it might come down to what I expect of the meta and whether I'm more worried about shooting or melee. I do think there are specific casters who are concerning in themselves as well, like Magnus 2.
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mattmcd
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Post by mattmcd on Jan 11, 2018 17:19:31 GMT
Kolgrimma can play it too. I’m excited to try this list with her.
War Room Army
Trollblood - 2x Bears 2x Champs
Theme: Storm of the North 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Kolgrima Stonetruth, Winter Witch - WB: +28 - Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0 - Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 15) - Troll Bouncer - PC: 9 (Battlegroup Points Used: 9) - Troll Axer - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 4)
Fell Caller Hero - PC: 0
Northkin Bear Handler & Battle Bears - Bear Handler & 2 Battle Bears: 10 Northkin Bear Handler & Battle Bears - Bear Handler & 2 Battle Bears: 10 Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9 - Northkin Elder - PC: 3 Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16 - Skaldi Bonehammer - PC: 0 Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16 Farrow Bone Grinders - Leader & 3 Grunts: 5
You could easily swap the 2nd unit of champs out for double fire Eaters and a ferelgeist.
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Post by Trollock on Jan 12, 2018 7:11:36 GMT
Trollock Do you mean to pair that with Grim or Kolgrimma? I do see how she is stronger but I also find her harder to play. I guess it might come down to what I expect of the meta and whether I'm more worried about shooting or melee. I do think there are specific casters who are concerning in themselves as well, like Magnus 2. Not sure i thought that far. I like both Grim and Kolgrima, though i think Kolgrima might be a better generalist, and thus gives you more options. You could probably Pair Borka with any PoD list, though i would want either Kolgrima or Grim to have a decent Cryx Drop.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jan 12, 2018 21:29:33 GMT
How about this? conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0b590rc6jp0hjqhm7d6R0l0m2N___-0GiV9DjoiU0h2QfJfJ6R0li-ezezj3Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia (Grim 1) Grim Angus [+29] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Mountain King [36] - Mulg the Ancient [22] - Troll Axer [10] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Gremlin Swarm [3] Janissa Stonetide [0(4)] Troll Whelps [0(4)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2] Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Storm of the North !!! Your army contains a CID entry. (Borka 2) Borka, Vengeance of the Rimeshaws [+27] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Pyre Troll [8] - Rok [19] - Troll Axer [10] Feralgeist [2] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Troll Whelps [4] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Northkin Elder [3] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Hearthgut Hooch Hauler [18]
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Post by Trollock on Jan 12, 2018 22:13:41 GMT
Pretty sure that double Bears will be better than a Mauler. trivially triggering prowl seems like a thing. Dropping Mauler, whelps and FG for double bears, Chef and another free solo feels like a no brainer to me. More damage (especially if the free solo is valka), more boxes and probably less trouble with fury. Also, they are stealth and faster than the Mauler.
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mattmcd
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Post by mattmcd on Jan 13, 2018 5:58:09 GMT
I used a Rok, pyre and axer battlegroup recently and decided I’d rather have a Mauler than Rok. I just hated primal’s auto frenzy. Is there a big reason to go Rok > Mauler?
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Post by Trollock on Jan 13, 2018 8:47:36 GMT
I used a Rok, pyre and axer battlegroup recently and decided I’d rather have a Mauler than Rok. I just hated primal’s auto frenzy. Is there a big reason to go Rok > Mauler? With the HHH in the list, i think you are right. Good call. Without it you could argue that his superior MAT and stumbling drunk is a good reason.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jan 13, 2018 15:33:58 GMT
I used a Rok, pyre and axer battlegroup recently and decided I’d rather have a Mauler than Rok. I just hated primal’s auto frenzy. Is there a big reason to go Rok > Mauler? With the HHH in the list, i think you are right. Good call. Without it you could argue that his superior MAT and stumbling drunk is a good reason. That and higher base POW with his axe and Berserk. I do like having both Rage and Primal available, but I'm fine with only Primal depending on the build. Yes, Borka with an Axer, Pyre, and Rok is not unusual for a SOTN list. I'm fine with Primal on either of the lights because they are much more expendable anyway. That gives the Pyre a useable MAT of 7 and with two initials he gets some mileage out of it. As for the Axer, MAT 8 with a good Thresher can really clear out some infantry, even elites with POW16. Finally, I can put Primal on Rok to kill a caster or even a warlock's last beast if I'm sure that Borka can close out on his own.
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