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Post by grimgor on Jan 4, 2018 12:14:50 GMT
I don't really understand why so much kolgranny in PoD, i tried a list with 4 heavy and croak and it's hard to crack things like bradigus or dreamer. And a lot of players are playing kolgranny PoD/ madrak BoH, they can't play these matchs, so i guess they count on their team to avoid these bad matchs. The caster is good, but i'm not convinced with this caster with that kind of list, i tried her in PoD and SoTN, and it was really better in SoTN with double champ/bears/fire eaters in my mind. And in SoTN you keep your assasination potential. The kolgranny's feat is a control feat that help for scenarios, and do we really need that with a PoD list ? I prefer borka2/doomy3 and 2 who are doing much for attrition game with their feat, but maybe doomy 3 is missing because of so much cryx/grymkin ?. Maybe i miss something about kolgranny in PoD ?
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Post by Arcaux on Jan 4, 2018 12:24:11 GMT
Doomy3 is missing because of Grymkin.
The combination of the Battle Engine and the Arcana both shutting down healing is enough to make the list unviable, especially when Grymkin are making up 8-10% of tournament fields and they are currently a top 4 faction.
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Post by robbleyourworld on Jan 4, 2018 15:56:04 GMT
I don't really understand why so much kolgranny in PoD, i tried a list with 4 heavy and croak and it's hard to crack things like bradigus or dreamer. And a lot of players are playing kolgranny PoD/ madrak BoH, they can't play these matchs, so i guess they count on their team to avoid these bad matchs. The caster is good, but i'm not convinced with this caster with that kind of list, i tried her in PoD and SoTN, and it was really better in SoTN with double champ/bears/fire eaters in my mind. And in SoTN you keep your assasination potential. The kolgranny's feat is a control feat that help for scenarios, and do we really need that with a PoD list ? I prefer borka2/doomy3 and 2 who are doing much for attrition game with their feat, but maybe doomy 3 is missing because of so much cryx/grymkin ?. Maybe i miss something about kolgranny in PoD ? Cold Gam Gam can play in basically any of our themes well its just a matter of what you want. In POD you're able to use her spell list more aggressively with the Mulg and inclusion of Dhunian Knot makes her assassination threat pretty amazing. I haven't played against Bradigus but I'm having a hard time seeing how 4 troll heavies, with access to rage, have difficulty cracking wolds and bradigus himself doesn't seem a fan of seeing 3 pow 14's + bomber bombs coming his way. Our only grymkin player plays on off nights so my grymkin experience is limited but what exactly does dreamer bring kolgrima doesn't answer? Kolgrima + mulg means few spells hit meaningful targets and the dreamer is even more terrified of Gam Gam's spray unless she's saved ruin but then she'll still have 2 or 3 more coming her way.
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Post by grimgor on Jan 5, 2018 11:18:48 GMT
Agzainst bradigus, i played against a list with 3 guardians 1 warden and 3 watchers in front and 2 sentry&manikins. You can't cast any spells because the - 5 range, and the guardians have shield guard. Bradigus have access to earth's blessing, and you must kill the watchers in front, and the guardians with the stones have 14" threat range with mat 9 pow 23 with synergy. So a long way better than our beasts. The feat is useless, cause the watchers can't move as the sentry, and he placed his stones just behind the guardians, so you can't move them too, and bradigus cast earth's blessing ofc. He doesn't care the clouds because of the feat and the stone placement. I fell like totally powerless lol. Against dreamer 4 cage rager and 2 skins&moans, you can't cast any spells too, to much arcane vortex, so the assasination plan is impossible unless he made big errors. He doesn't care too the cloud, he move very packed and just wait you are coming for an alpha. 21 arm and 32 pv, an EDBT with rage and the +1 stone dont have the 50% chances to got it, and mulg with the same bonus dont have enough damage to take 2 cage rager, and he is key in the matchup because of arcane vortex. If dreamer can cast an enfeeble, it's the end. So you do well for anti spells, but dreamer does it better with this list. But finally, it's look like that in europa the meta is very different than in america, i didn't see a bradigus list that look like the list i face, so maybe kolgrimma PoD is just good in the america meta, but i don't like the idea that trolls being worse than grymkin/bradigus at tanking and answering after taking the alpha
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Post by eterenal on Jan 5, 2018 15:14:59 GMT
Doomy3 is missing because of Grymkin. The combination of the Battle Engine and the Arcana both shutting down healing is enough to make the list unviable, especially when Grymkin are making up 8-10% of tournament fields and they are currently a top 4 faction. Grymkin top 4? Even if true, definitely not top 4 in popularity. Seems a poor excuse to not play Doomy3, especially in a team tournament environment where you can specifically dodge the Grymkin matchup.
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Post by joetortillas on Jan 5, 2018 15:34:35 GMT
Your meta needs to pick up Grymkin if you doubt their ranking I know that locally I cannot hope to win an event without going against at least one good grymkin player. Stalkers/Hag also stops healing and are in Cryx, it's not exactly that rare to see Grievous wound.
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Post by Arcaux on Jan 5, 2018 15:36:23 GMT
Doomy3 is missing because of Grymkin. The combination of the Battle Engine and the Arcana both shutting down healing is enough to make the list unviable, especially when Grymkin are making up 8-10% of tournament fields and they are currently a top 4 faction. Grymkin top 4? Even if true, definitely not top 4 in popularity. Seems a poor excuse to not play Doomy3, especially in a team tournament environment where you can specifically dodge the Grymkin matchup. It is over in the UK.
At Blood and Oil in November it was the joint most represented faction with 12% of the field. (10 Players in 84)
I can see an argument you don't think they are top four. In my view: Cygnar, Cryx, Skorne and Grymkin are a step above all the rest at the moment. Plenty of evidence to suggest I'm right though these things are always subjective.
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Post by grimgor on Jan 5, 2018 19:22:09 GMT
Grymkin top 4? Even if true, definitely not top 4 in popularity. Seems a poor excuse to not play Doomy3, especially in a team tournament environment where you can specifically dodge the Grymkin matchup. It is over in the UK.
At Blood and Oil in November it was the joint most represented faction with 12% of the field. (10 Players in 84)
I can see an argument you don't think they are top four. In my view: Cygnar, Cryx, Skorne and Grymkin are a step above all the rest at the moment. Plenty of evidence to suggest I'm right though these things are always subjective.
Whys especially skorne ? For me they are ok, why for you are they a step above ? I agree for cryx/cygnar/grymkin. In my mind the cage rager are full busted.
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Post by macdaddy on Jan 5, 2018 20:28:46 GMT
It is over in the UK.
At Blood and Oil in November it was the joint most represented faction with 12% of the field. (10 Players in 84)
I can see an argument you don't think they are top four. In my view: Cygnar, Cryx, Skorne and Grymkin are a step above all the rest at the moment. Plenty of evidence to suggest I'm right though these things are always subjective.
Whys especially skorne ? For me they are ok, why for you are they a step above ? I agree for cryx/cygnar/grymkin. In my mind the cage rager are full busted. People that know what they are doing can really push skorne to a very high level. The change the devs did to them a year back combined with all the theme release I think made them one of the best factions in hordes.
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Post by Arcaux on Jan 5, 2018 22:39:08 GMT
It is over in the UK.
At Blood and Oil in November it was the joint most represented faction with 12% of the field. (10 Players in 84)
I can see an argument you don't think they are top four. In my view: Cygnar, Cryx, Skorne and Grymkin are a step above all the rest at the moment. Plenty of evidence to suggest I'm right though these things are always subjective.
Whys especially skorne ? For me they are ok, why for you are they a step above ? I agree for cryx/cygnar/grymkin. In my mind the cage rager are full busted. They have multiple lists that are extremely strong. Probably more than any other faction than Cryx. Cygnar's strength is mostly tied up in Haley3 and Grymkins is very centered around Dreamer, but Cryx and Skorne have variety, be it double cats, Double BE Gunlines, Beast bricks, Zaal Infantry bricks or even the minion themes. They do so many things really well that you never know exactly what you'll see.
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Post by eterenal on Jan 6, 2018 15:24:17 GMT
I more take issue with the fact that you expanded it to top 4 lol. Super subjective ranking and you state it like it's a fact.
Again, it's a team event. Skews have a pretty serious leg up in their ability to dodge matchups. I'd think Doomy3 would be a solid choice in that case.
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Post by Arcaux on Jan 7, 2018 1:52:27 GMT
I more take issue with the fact that you expanded it to top 4 lol. Super subjective ranking and you state it like it's a fact. Again, it's a team event. Skews have a pretty serious leg up in their ability to dodge matchups. I'd think Doomy3 would be a solid choice in that case. Ahh you misunderstand. This is a discussion forum. Everything here is opinion. From my experience dodging matchups is pretty hard. The more matchups you're looking to dodge as a team the harder it becomes.
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Post by eterenal on Jan 7, 2018 15:00:24 GMT
And in my experience, it's not. I've been through three five-person team tourneys as the captain. It's pretty rare for you to have games you literally have no game into, so when/if that occurs you can just hold your weak player until the counter has already been placed out. Even then, you have a second list.
But if you want to stop playing Gunnbjorn because Mercs are a top 7 faction, that's your choice.
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Post by deviantcad on Jan 7, 2018 19:13:58 GMT
Different experience aside what does everyone think of this list from team Canada: War Room Army
Trollblood - Bearka brick
Theme: The Power of Dhunia 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Borka, Vengeance of the Rimeshaws - WB: +27 - Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0 - Earthborn Dire Troll - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14) - Earthborn Dire Troll - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13) - Mulg the Ancient - PC: 22 - Rök - PC: 19 - Storm Troll - PC: 9 - Troll Axer - PC: 10
Troll Whelps - 5 Whelps: 0 Troll Whelps - 5 Whelps: 0
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 3 Grunts: 6 - Stone Scribe Elder - PC: 3 Lynus Wesselbaum & Edrea Lloryrr - Lynus & Edrea: 5
I don't know if I'm sold on the beast package but but between Mulg vortexing and Edrea wind walling you should be able to deliver most things pretty unscathed. It seems like Edrea might be a good addtion to a tight beast brick. The downside being the normal weaknesses of a beast bricks.
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Post by mydnight on Jan 7, 2018 20:38:23 GMT
Different experience aside what does everyone think of this list from team Canada: War Room Army Trollblood - Bearka brick Theme: The Power of Dhunia 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Borka, Vengeance of the Rimeshaws - WB: +27 - Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0 - Earthborn Dire Troll - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14) - Earthborn Dire Troll - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13) - Mulg the Ancient - PC: 22 - Rök - PC: 19 - Storm Troll - PC: 9 - Troll Axer - PC: 10 Troll Whelps - 5 Whelps: 0 Troll Whelps - 5 Whelps: 0 Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 3 Grunts: 6 - Stone Scribe Elder - PC: 3 Lynus Wesselbaum & Edrea Lloryrr - Lynus & Edrea: 5 I don't know if I'm sold on the beast package but but between Mulg vortexing and Edrea wind walling you should be able to deliver most things pretty unscathed. It seems like Edrea might be a good addtion to a tight beast brick. The downside being the normal weaknesses of a beast bricks. Edrea does not have wind wall. She doesn't protect anything else beyond the unit.
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