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Post by pac on Jan 8, 2018 17:44:09 GMT
I suppose this list, or one like it, could be good for a tournament pairing but your other list would have to be both a generalist list AND be able to take on Cryx. I don't see how this could take on either a Dark Host or a Scourge list. I could see some trouble into other tougher infantry lists like Madrak 1 double Champs or even a Ret Sentinels list.
Obviously, a second list that could take on these issues can be made and brought, I just don't see this being your main list in that case.
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Post by Cryptix on Jan 10, 2018 15:01:44 GMT
I actually feel like Old Witch2 would be a better fit for this list. Sure you can't put reconstruct on the colossal but you can protect it and the MOW and Windstorm has good synergies with creeping barrage (they want to get closer but they can't without getting shredded.)
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Post by tjhairball on Jan 11, 2018 0:45:19 GMT
Irusk2 is your soft-squishy centre. So assassination is probably the biggest weakness. No matter how well you hide him, he's at risk. Shadow Fire based assassinations are a possible issue (Cygnar especially - Caine3/Sloan). Arcing fire could also be a problem - I've been mulling Armored Korps with a couple of Destroyers and the MoW Bombardiers with spoiled UA. That could just about take down Irusk2 in a single round of shooting (even more so under Butcher1). Arcing fire is easier to protect against, but it is a vulnerability. Thought out of left field - Vlad3. He doesn't hand out pathfinder, but Dash + Infernal Machine means your army isn't all that slow, and at a native 15/17 with the option of using Wind Wall, he's not a very squishy fellow. Not many global movement buffs out there.
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Post by Provengreil on Jan 11, 2018 13:45:31 GMT
Madrak 1 champ spam*, Maelok Posse Spam*, orion and...anything I guess, Any POM jack list that'll just get passage and ignore your shooting, Sloan will likely be able to delete conquest early, an AFG will throw wrenches into your movement, and special bonus points for any caster with rebuke to really muck up your MoW. Nothing else I can think of has any immediate game plan.
*less so for them killing you and more for them stopping you from scoring while they rack up points
All in all, there's only a rather thin slice of the game with a clear advantage into the concept.
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Post by chaingun on Jan 11, 2018 14:22:50 GMT
orion and...anything I guess Just curious: How is Eminent Configurator Orion a special risk to the MoW + Conquest list?
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Post by Provengreil on Jan 11, 2018 14:49:03 GMT
orion and...anything I guess Just curious: How is Eminent Configurator Orion a special risk to the MoW + Conquest list? I've been on the receiving end of Orion Double teps. While using Durst.
2 Indictors* and durst himself went down....on my own feat turn.
*moderately unpopular Menoth shield jacks, for the uninformed. ARM 25 on feat turn with 32 boxes.
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Post by smoothcriminal on Jan 11, 2018 15:16:00 GMT
Ironically "slow" mows actually have the longest baseline charge of all the heavy infantry, that puts them on slight advantage against others. Anyway it will be decided by tough check lucky streaks.
The long charge range also gives a lot of game against POM jackspam, you're basically even.
Sloan is awful against shockies, hunters have hard time shooting through shieldwall.
Orion seems to fare better against jacks than against mows. Mother seems more of a threat here. Anyway mows is one of the better answers Khador has against Convergence, if they're bad then everything else is even worse.
Rebuke is a pain, but it's mitigated by large number of units.
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Post by Provengreil on Jan 11, 2018 15:22:33 GMT
That list I made was one of advantages, not solves. If a list can be casually solved by something you'd expect to see it's not actually a good list.
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Post by chaingun on Jan 11, 2018 15:41:18 GMT
Just curious: How is Eminent Configurator Orion a special risk to the MoW + Conquest list? I've been on the receiving end of Orion Double teps. While using Durst.
2 Indictors* and durst himself went down....on my own feat turn.
*moderately unpopular Menoth shield jacks, for the uninformed. ARM 25 on feat turn with 32 boxes.
If there's an answer to my question (How is Eminent Configurator Orion a special risk to the MoW + Conquest list?) here, I missed it.
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Post by tjhairball on Jan 11, 2018 23:02:01 GMT
Irusk2 is your soft-squishy centre. So assassination is probably the biggest weakness. No matter how well you hide him, he's at risk. Shadow Fire based assassinations are a possible issue (Cygnar especially - Caine3/Sloan). Arcing fire could also be a problem - I've been mulling Armored Korps with a couple of Destroyers and the MoW Bombardiers with spoiled UA. That could just about take down Irusk2 in a single round of shooting (even more so under Butcher1). Arcing fire is easier to protect against, but it is a vulnerability. Thought out of left field - Vlad3. He doesn't hand out pathfinder, but Dash + Infernal Machine means your army isn't all that slow, and at a native 15/17 with the option of using Wind Wall, he's not a very squishy fellow. Not many global movement buffs out there. Just realized I should have described Vlad3 as a potential dark horse.
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Post by GumbaFish on Jan 12, 2018 0:10:28 GMT
I could be wrong but I think strong control or assassination casters could handle this type of list. With a relatively low model count slow-ish army, control casters could potentially get the jump on scenario and partially dictate the rate that you are able to throw MOW at them. Assassination casters for the obvious reason that Irusk 2 isn't the beefiest fellow. I guess I am saying I would try to handle it by explicitly avoiding trying to chew through the armor/boxes of the list.
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Post by chaingun on Jan 13, 2018 21:54:25 GMT
I could be wrong but I think strong control or assassination casters could handle this type of list. With a relatively low model count slow-ish army, control casters could potentially get the jump on scenario and partially dictate the rate that you are able to throw MOW at them. Assassination casters for the obvious reason that Irusk 2 isn't the beefiest fellow. I guess I am saying I would try to handle it by explicitly avoiding trying to chew through the armor/boxes of the list. Yes and no. Yes, this list is vulnerable to anything scenario based. MoW are simply too slow to rush forward and grab objectives and lack the hitting power to clear an objective from contesting models. No, I've been playing MoW armies for years (collecting a painting 40+ MoW models take time) and they provide an almost total protection to any warcaster from assassination, especially a warcaster which gives them Tough. When I lose with a MoW army, the army is destroyed and the caster is one of the few models left. MoW are far from perfect units but one thing they do well is keeping your caster alive (as long as he's hiding behind their backs, of course).
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