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Post by gordo on Jan 2, 2018 15:03:44 GMT
I was reading the original Mk2 army book for Legion, chuckling at the fluff descriptions for things that no longer resemble them mechanically. I never bothered with the Forces book for them in Mk3, but did their fluff descriptions change? For example, in Mk2, Carnivean chassis beasts were described as "surprisingly fast", which they were at the time, but are not so currently. Does anyone have the mk3 book? Did the descriptions change to match their updated rules?
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Post by dogganmguest on Jan 3, 2018 1:54:53 GMT
They are mostly exactly the same, including things like emphasising how terrifying the ogrun are. While they did just ctrl-c/ctrl-v the old book, some sentences have been slightly tweaked. For example, a sentence from Bethayne's text:
changed to:
They did remove the "shocking haste" part for the carnivean, but still describe it as moving quickly. So there were changes, but not really anything significant.
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Post by thelat on Jan 3, 2018 5:05:47 GMT
What else has a POW 18 base and Speed 5?
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Post by haurukh on Jan 3, 2018 8:26:47 GMT
What else has a POW 18 base and Speed 5? Well, Warpwolf Stalker has PS 18 with SPD 6, does that count?  |
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Post by Hjard on Jan 3, 2018 13:38:15 GMT
Bolt Thrower fluff was changed. As they lost the flight animus, the text changed to something else to not get people confused
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Post by princeraven on Jan 3, 2018 14:58:04 GMT
What else has a POW 18 base and Speed 5? Ironclad, Gallant, Ol' Rowdy, Rök, Eye of Truth, Fire of Salvation, Hand of Judgement, Mangler, Nomad, Rocinante, Banshee. |
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Post by gordo on Jan 3, 2018 15:27:17 GMT
Yeah, SPD 5 is basically "average" speed for Warjacks, and PS 18 is roughly average PS for dedicated heavies.
Another comparison: Cygnar & Menoth jacks with their tiny little legs and massively oversized torsos, moving at Spd5. Carnivean with 4 legs, of either the same or larger size? Same speed. Hence I was wondering if they changed the fluff.
I wondered because I wanted to know how much the fluff was informing the mechanical decisions made in mk3 by PP, as well as how likely it would inform their decisions in CiD. I was wondering this because when I conjecture/wish-list for errata, I wanted to know how much, if at all, said changes would need to match the fluff.
I believe my answer is "not much"
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Post by haurukh on Jan 3, 2018 15:33:17 GMT
Yeah, SPD 5 is basically "average" speed for Warjacks, and PS 18 is roughly average PS for dedicated heavies. Another comparison: Cygnar & Menoth jacks with their tiny little legs and massively oversized torsos, moving at Spd5. Carnivean with 4 legs, of either the same or larger size? Same speed. Hence I was wondering if they changed the fluff. I wondered because I wanted to know how much the fluff was informing the mechanical decisions made in mk3 by PP, as well as how likely it would inform their decisions in CiD. I was wondering this because when I conjecture/wish-list for errata, I wanted to know how much, if at all, said changes would need to match the fluff. I believe my answer is "not much" Typically, if you can make a fluff argument, it helps. If what you wish for does not match the fluff at all, it will be harder. But in the end, I think gameplay is more important. |
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Post by thelat on Jan 3, 2018 18:05:26 GMT
What else has a POW 18 base and Speed 5? Well, Warpwolf Stalker has PS 18 with SPD 6, does that count? According to Battle College, it has POW 16 base. What else has a POW 18 base and Speed 5? Ironclad, Gallant, Ol' Rowdy, Rök, Eye of Truth, Fire of Salvation, Hand of Judgement, Mangler, Nomad, Rocinante, Banshee. And how many of those are characters? |
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Post by haurukh on Jan 3, 2018 18:17:07 GMT
Well, Warpwolf Stalker has PS 18 with SPD 6, does that count? According to Battle College, it has POW 16 base. Ironclad, Gallant, Ol' Rowdy, Rök, Eye of Truth, Fire of Salvation, Hand of Judgement, Mangler, Nomad, Rocinante, Banshee. And how many of those are characters? It has base POW 16 and can warp for +2 STR. For all intents and purposes, it is base PW 18 whenever you want it to be, at no cost |
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Post by gordo on Jan 3, 2018 18:30:47 GMT
If we are SOME how trying to pretend that Spd5 as something that can reasonably be described as "fast" in the fluff, can anyone cite any fluff that describes any other Spd5 models as fast?
For example, is the Ironclad, Stormclad, or Nomad described as fast?
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Post by cainuslupus on Jan 3, 2018 22:47:10 GMT
Fluffwise it's a mess. Somehow in transition Legion beast stopped being affraid of Athanc and can frenzy into our casters. It has near zero game consequences but Blood Creation was such fluffy rule. I miss it being on the card and doing nothing ;(
Carni chassis at Spd 5 was somehow attempt at balance because after loosing Tenacity they also should't outthreat jacks that cost half to two/thirds of their cost by themselves. Because reasons.
They changed some stuff that was dumb in Mk2 too, like Grotesques being as slow as heavy armoured Legionaires despite being lightweight flying skirmishers. Hexhunters and Scouts/Blightblades swapping Speed stat also makes sense, one being Battlemages and other Striders.
Did they changed Stinger part about being suicide attacker? It was also fluffy but I forgot to mark damage half of the time.
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Post by dogganmguest on Jan 3, 2018 23:31:39 GMT
There's nothing there now about suicidal attacks, but it does say this without adding "maybe 1 out of 12 times":
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Post by eauc on Jan 5, 2018 9:48:54 GMT
Carni chassis at Spd 5 was somehow attempt at balance because after loosing Tenacity they also should't outthreat jacks that cost half to two/thirds of their cost by themselves. Because reasons.Because they thought we needed more difference between our land and sky sharks, just in case we didn't know what to choose. I mean, they're all overcosted, fragile, and can't kill an ennemy heavy by themselves. SPD6 vs SPD7 didn't make enough difference, and could leave us wondering which is better you know. At least now we can clearly choose between crashing on our ennemies windshield or being rolled over by ennemy trucks  |
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Post by gordo on Jan 5, 2018 15:35:01 GMT
Carni chassis at Spd 5 was somehow attempt at balance because after loosing Tenacity they also should't outthreat jacks that cost half to two/thirds of their cost by themselves. Because reasons.Because they thought we needed more difference between our land and sky sharks, just in case we didn't know what to choose. I mean, they're all overcosted, fragile, and can't kill an ennemy heavy by themselves. SPD6 vs SPD7 didn't make enough difference, and could leave us wondering which is better you know. At least now we can clearly choose between crashing on our ennemies windshield or being rolled over by ennemy trucks I actually appreciate the difference between our flyer speeds vs our landies. To me it always felt silly that flyers were nearly the same speed. If I look at it from a purely "aesthetics informing mechanics" perspective, that is. They don't "look" that fast to me, though I guess 4 legs should mean something other than "walks over fences better". Eh, moot. We'll see if they ever become worth it. |
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