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Post by dickovdk on Dec 23, 2017 23:08:59 GMT
Hiya All
I have set my mind on 2 lists that will I will be running going forward. Yes there might be better lists, better combos etc. But my mind is set on these. I also believe that if I finally stick to the same lists for more than five minutes I actually will have a chance to learn them and eventually maybe even win with them. on a local scale of course.
What I need from your Circle aficionados is to point out what I need to be aware of and maybe "scared" off in terms of match ups.
The two lists are both in bones and are as follows:
Krueger the Stormlord [+27]
- Megalith [20]
- 2x Woldwarden [28]
- 2x Woldwyrd [18]
Celestial Fulcrum [19]
2x Blackclad Stoneshaper [0(6)]
Blackclad Wayfarer [0(4)]
Bog Trog Mist Speaker [4]
2x Sentry Stone & Mannikins [10]
Shifting Stones [3]
Bradigus Thorle the Runecarver [+27]
- 2x Wold Guardian [32]
- 2x Wold Wight [10]
- 2x Woldwarden [28]
- 2x Woldwatcher [16]
3x Blackclad Stoneshaper [6(9)]
2x Blackclad Wayfarer [0(8)]
Gallows Grove [2]
2x Shifting Stones [6]
Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2]
Of course there might eventually be made small corrections to the lists if it turns out model A doesn't seem to carry its worth. (Gallows in Brad comes to mind but could not find another 2 point model that made more sense).
Looking forward to leech all your combine knowledge. Truth shall be told I have limited experience with Circle but already bought all the stuff for the lists (and more of course)
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Post by Fudly on Dec 24, 2017 7:58:20 GMT
I think it's a good pairing.
I'm not sure you have a great answer for makeda2 cats, coven dark host, or Baldur2 bones. Please tell me if I'm wrong.
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Post by dickovdk on Dec 24, 2017 10:55:14 GMT
I think it's a good pairing. I'm not sure you have a great answer for makeda2 cats, coven dark host, or Baldur2 bones. Please tell me if I'm wrong. Thanks for the reply - I dont know much about the Cats or Host so I take your word for it and will look into those two match ups. Baldur2 I have been playing some with him before brad could be used, and he brings high armor across the board. I feel I can handle that with the 2 wardens (ps <=21) and 2 guardians (ps <=23). Even 2 Wraths would not like having a guardian in the face (with feat might even be without charge) that would be 5 straight dice per model (dice -2 for wardens) so the guardian alone would be around 35 on avg. in damage. actually biggest issue is probably getting the Synergy chain to work against low model counts. but thanks a bunch for the reply its always great to have other peoples perspective otherwise one just stare one self blind on the "how cool is this list"  |
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Post by Fudly on Dec 24, 2017 16:56:05 GMT
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Post by macdaddy on Dec 24, 2017 18:16:00 GMT
I really cannot recommend enough adding 2 Gallows groves to the Krueger 2 List. Having the ability to cast spells from multiple points on the table and still keep Kruger 2 safe has come up for me A LOT. Range 8 is super short and Krueger really does not want to be in the danger zone.
Also, Gallows groves help a lot on the Mak 2 and Dark Host match up.
Gallows groves deny tough and stay Death meaning you can easily kill a handful of cats at the cost of 1 Tree. Just have to smart and plan ahead.
In dark host you can really project lightning AoE’s. Use Manikins to place a minefield of the AoE’s
The AoE’s get around the wraith engine aura (If they enter/end activation inside of not when they are placed initially) and you can literally just ignore the coven feat with a wall of them.
Magic ability is also unaffected by coven feat meaning you can use lightning AOE,s to kill things for days. Bane riders can be an issue, but if they take 2 units they eat up a lot of army points. Bradigus can also cover lists like double bane riders under skarre 1, as he can threat enough to try and force her to feat defensively and Wold guardians can wreck bane riders even at +5 Arm.
Overall that seems like a super solid pairing. I think you are gonna have a lot of success with that list in the current meta.
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Post by bloodhawk on Dec 24, 2017 19:34:54 GMT
Great article explaining the Makeda2 list. I had heard of it, but I haven't played against it. Sounds like gallows groves are our best bet into the list, although it still doesn't sound easy by any means.
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Post by macdaddy on Dec 24, 2017 23:19:49 GMT
Great article explaining the Makeda2 list. I had heard of it, but I haven't played against it. Sounds like gallows groves are our best bet into the list, although it still doesn't sound easy by any means. Technically Bloodweavers are our best bet into Mak 2 cats. But your not playing Tharn  It’s a tough match up for sure. Most of it has to do with you being always super vulnerable to some bull crap assasination because Speed 9, Parry, and Jump are just dumb in tandem. I think Krueger2 with 2 Groves is your best bet, you can even feasibly scalpel our radhiem early on if you need to, but there’s no formulae for it. You really just need to practice it a whole bunch. I actually played into it with Baldur2 Bones Pre-CiD And almost won on scenario. But I underestimated the cats ability to get literally anywhere on the table and got Assasinated. Double bones seems to be the hotness right now, I think you’ll be fine! If you find yourself wishing for more hitting power and accuracy in the K2 list, consider Megalith. Mat7, MA7 Geomamcy, 1 Extra Fury, And an awesome mat fixing animus are super helpful in Bones. Bradigus doesn’t need it as much but you may find yourself wanting it for K2. |
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Post by bloodhawk on Dec 25, 2017 0:44:31 GMT
Great article explaining the Makeda2 list. I had heard of it, but I haven't played against it. Sounds like gallows groves are our best bet into the list, although it still doesn't sound easy by any means. Technically Bloodweavers are our best bet into Mak 2 cats. But your not playing Tharn It’s a tough match up for sure. Most of it has to do with you being always super vulnerable to some bull crap assasination because Speed 9, Parry, and Jump are just dumb in tandem. I think Krueger2 with 2 Groves is your best bet, you can even feasibly scalpel our radhiem early on if you need to, but there’s no formulae for it. You really just need to practice it a whole bunch. I actually played into it with Baldur2 Bones Pre-CiD And almost won on scenario. But I underestimated the cats ability to get literally anywhere on the table and got Assasinated. Double bones seems to be the hotness right now, I think you’ll be fine! If you find yourself wishing for more hitting power and accuracy in the K2 list, consider Megalith. Mat7, MA7 Geomamcy, 1 Extra Fury, And an awesome mat fixing animus are super helpful in Bones. Bradigus doesn’t need it as much but you may find yourself wanting it for K2. Good call on Bloodweavers, not sure how I forgot them. I was looking at a Kromak2 list as my anti troll and brick breaker potentially having game into the cat list as well. Mac2 could be arm 20 and with his grievous and sprint I think there might be some opportunities. I think that double bones may be our absolute best competitive pair currently. The nice part is you have a ton of casters who play well in it. Personally I like Krueger2 and Bradigus best. I am going to try a similar Kruger list to the OP, pairing with either Kaya3 or Kromak2. I feel like Krueger can cover shooting and dude spam pretty well, leaving armour to your list pair. |
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Post by dickovdk on Dec 25, 2017 17:49:36 GMT
Unfortunately none in the local meta plays either Coven or Makeda and I am pretty much only Circle player so practice against Baldur is also limited. However still very good read folks.
You mentioned that Krueger miss the Gallows which make sense but how do I find 4 points in that list for two Groves. (have the models for it already so its surely a possibility)
out of the bat Mist speaker seem to be the easiest drop, but I know Cygnar are popular and Haley3 with Trenchers is a thing. So I really want the krueger drop to handle cygnar as Krueger close down for N3mo drops.
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Post by bloodhawk on Dec 25, 2017 19:30:48 GMT
Unfortunately none in the local meta plays either Coven or Makeda and I am pretty much only Circle player so practice against Baldur is also limited. However still very good read folks. You mentioned that Krueger miss the Gallows which make sense but how do I find 4 points in that list for two Groves. (have the models for it already so its surely a possibility) out of the bat Mist speaker seem to be the easiest drop, but I know Cygnar are popular and Haley3 with Trenchers is a thing. So I really want the krueger drop to handle cygnar as Krueger close down for N3mo drops. Others may be able to speak to it better, but it may be a meta call. Double grove is better into cats and cryx whereas mist speaker helps into Cygnar. |
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Post by Fudly on Dec 26, 2017 5:53:46 GMT
Groves aren't worthless against cloud walls. They have eyeless sight.
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Post by macdaddy on Dec 26, 2017 15:04:19 GMT
Groves aren't worthless against cloud walls. They have eyeless sight. Your caster has to have eyeless sight too though. Luckily the mist speaker solves that issue |
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Post by Fudly on Dec 26, 2017 16:38:07 GMT
No. When channeling through an arc node, the arc node determines line of sight, and the caster determines to hit penalties.
Groves outright ignore cloud walls. If groves are within 5" of a stealth target, they can bypass stealth. They never bypass concealment.
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Post by neuronpsychare on Dec 27, 2017 9:31:35 GMT
Groves aren't worthless against cloud walls. They have eyeless sight. Hum... I'm pretty sure they don't have eyeless sight... which is stupid when I think about it ^^ But I guess you can use Guidance on it. If you need both Mist Speaker and Gallows Grove, you could drop a Sentry Stone for 2 Gallows and a Chef, or Shifting Stones and a Gallows. |
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Post by dickovdk on Dec 27, 2017 9:43:45 GMT
I cannot have both Mist Speaker and Chef in the list as that would require double Solo Minions. Dropping the Sentry have been on my mind but I also though about Megalith actually for another Warden. That would miss out of Weight of stone for def debuff and his animus (and yes I know he is better at everything) but that would open up for Two Gallows and Swamp Gobbers. The last would be to protect Krueger a bit not having to have a warden cast its animus to project him If the Gallows act as if they had Eyeless sight then they are even more wonderful but I have to look that up. its not on the card thats for sure |
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