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Post by Cookielol on Dec 22, 2017 7:18:22 GMT
I know its out there, but cant find out the supporting info/opinions to go with it.
A.) What Post-CID Changes did Denny1 get, and if they hold where will she end up/fit reliably? Will she become a shelved model (or lightly played like Aggy1) or have a competitive home?
B.) Satyxis Related. What changes where made, new models introduced and which of these will be really sought for the theme list?
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Post by Gamingdevil on Dec 22, 2017 8:55:38 GMT
1) She lost the clause that prevented charging, running and special attacks on her feat, also Scourge got changed to a 3-cost AoE, POW 12, crit Shadow Bind, she also had her warjack points reduced. I think these were all reasonable change, it severely hampers her assassination (crit shadow bind on a 3-cost spell is nearly useless), makes her feat more risky and forces us to reevaluate her ideal battle group, instead of just taking 2 Deathrippers and 2 Stalkers or 1 Leviathan. She will still be able to completely cripple the opposing army while her own goes in for the kill, while still blunting the counter attack. She just won't be the control and assassination monster she was on top of it. I think she will still have a competitive place in the game if she goes through like this and many, many people will still complain that -2 to everything is unfair. 2) - Blood Hag lost Entropic Aura, but base Blood Witches gained Grievous Wounds as an attack type instead of Blood Mist. In return the Hag gained Dark Shroud to add some more oomph to the list (looks like they want Dark Shroud in every theme, which makes sense as Cryx is likely balanced around having it available in some form)
- Gunslingers got an overhaul, picked up Dodge, lost Blood Mist and gained Heart Seeker, which gives a ghost dice (add one, lose lowest) to the damage roll, also went to RAT 7
- Sea Witch went to cost 4, no other changes to Raiders as far as I recall
- The theme force bonus is still up in the air. They didn't want to hand out all around Pathfinder anymore, but there was no clear consensus about what it should be instead.
- Also, because Blood Mist is gone, the theme now lacks any form of RFP where before it was basically our RFP theme, my hope is that they will add RFP to Death Strike or something.
- There are 3 new solos, the Satyxis Blood Priestess is a warcaster attachment that has Stealth, gives Sucker! to the Warcaster, upkeeps a spell for free and has additional effects (dispell, spell slave, something else) when she kills a living model. The other is a general support solo that will most likely also be in Slaughterfleet, she can give Prowl, Reposition or Dodge to a friendly faction living warrior model/unit. She also grants Tactician. The last one is a Gunslinger solo that gives them Run & Gun, has Reciprocate and Ghost Shot.
I think mostly the solos will really open up the Satyxis theme and with the nerf to Ghost Fleet, Scourge of the Broken Cost might be Denny's new home.
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Post by grotsnik on Dec 22, 2017 18:38:26 GMT
Also the sea witch now gives pathfinder instead of relentless charge with the correspondig witchcraft if I recall correctly
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Post by Grimolf on Dec 22, 2017 18:58:20 GMT
Denny1’s Scourage assassination is gone, but Denny3 still has Scourge!
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Unfortunately, Denny3 sitting on a huge dragon is far less scary than Denny1. ☹️
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Post by Cookielol on Dec 29, 2017 19:57:09 GMT
1) She lost the clause that prevented charging, running and special attacks on her feat, also Scourge got changed to a 3-cost AoE, POW 12, crit Shadow Bind, she also had her warjack points reduced. I think these were all reasonable change, it severely hampers her assassination (crit shadow bind on a 3-cost spell is nearly useless), makes her feat more risky and forces us to reevaluate her ideal battle group, instead of just taking 2 Deathrippers and 2 Stalkers or 1 Leviathan. She will still be able to completely cripple the opposing army while her own goes in for the kill, while still blunting the counter attack. She just won't be the control and assassination monster she was on top of it. I think she will still have a competitive place in the game if she goes through like this and many, many people will still complain that -2 to everything is unfair. 2) - Blood Hag lost Entropic Aura, but base Blood Witches gained Grievous Wounds as an attack type instead of Blood Mist. In return the Hag gained Dark Shroud to add some more oomph to the list (looks like they want Dark Shroud in every theme, which makes sense as Cryx is likely balanced around having it available in some form)
- Gunslingers got an overhaul, picked up Dodge, lost Blood Mist and gained Heart Seeker, which gives a ghost dice (add one, lose lowest) to the damage roll, also went to RAT 7
- Sea Witch went to cost 4, no other changes to Raiders as far as I recall
- The theme force bonus is still up in the air. They didn't want to hand out all around Pathfinder anymore, but there was no clear consensus about what it should be instead.
- Also, because Blood Mist is gone, the theme now lacks any form of RFP where before it was basically our RFP theme, my hope is that they will add RFP to Death Strike or something.
- There are 3 new solos, the Satyxis Blood Priestess is a warcaster attachment that has Stealth, gives Sucker! to the Warcaster, upkeeps a spell for free and has additional effects (dispell, spell slave, something else) when she kills a living model. The other is a general support solo that will most likely also be in Slaughterfleet, she can give Prowl, Reposition or Dodge to a friendly faction living warrior model/unit. She also grants Tactician. The last one is a Gunslinger solo that gives them Run & Gun, has Reciprocate and Ghost Shot.
I think mostly the solos will really open up the Satyxis theme and with the nerf to Ghost Fleet, Scourge of the Broken Cost might be Denny's new home.
Thanks for the great synopsis! This helps me a ton. Very curious as to how they will change their idea on pathfinder/implement it moving forward. I played double raiders a few dozen times early last year (pre-theme dump,) and it was always the "one" thing I felt they lacked. Come SR2017 and the abundant of rough terrain, I really hope they keep it. If so, itll bring me back from Grymkin to Cryx again. Playing in a tournament tomorrow and are Pairing Gaspy1 with Scourge and Coven with DarkHost. Wanted to use Skarre1 in place of Gaspy1 but I felt she gave the raiders too many redundancies they didnt need. |
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Post by grotsnik on Dec 29, 2017 22:31:56 GMT
PP already said they werent going back to pathfinder sadly... lets hope they change their mind but I dont think so, a more realistc hope is them keeping rfp, but I wouldnt count on that one either
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Post by Cookielol on Dec 30, 2017 5:02:10 GMT
PP already said they werent going back to pathfinder sadly... lets hope they change their mind but I dont think so, a more realistc hope is them keeping rfp, but I wouldnt count on that one either As in they aren’t gonna give them PF? I tried looking for their thoughts on this subject but couldn’t find anything. I really hope they get it in some format. While they are powerful, they need a delivery system. Their speed worked well for MKII, but that alone I feel doesn’t work in MKIII. |
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Post by gedditoffme on Dec 30, 2017 10:29:18 GMT
PP already said they werent going back to pathfinder sadly... lets hope they change their mind but I dont think so, a more realistc hope is them keeping rfp, but I wouldnt count on that one either As in they aren’t gonna give them PF? I tried looking for their thoughts on this subject but couldn’t find anything. I really hope they get it in some format. While they are powerful, they need a delivery system. Their speed worked well for MKII, but that alone I feel doesn’t work in MKIII. It was cryx feedback that changed it, since pathfinder is redundant with many satyxis interactions. With sea Witch now giving straight pathfinder as a prayer and plenty of caster support in ghost walk, relentless charge it wasn’t needed too badly. At the same time, blood mist had disappeared, denying satyxis access to rfp. It was proposed to trade pathfinder for rfp to preserve that racial trait. |
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