Grissel1, our least liked warlock?

jarrow
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Grissel1, our least liked warlock? Dec 22, 2017 7:04:01 GMT

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Post by jarrow on Dec 22, 2017 7:04:01 GMT

First of all, I'm not salty, but I totally see why most people think Grissel1 is now poor lock. Feat used to be one of the best feats on MK2 and now it's just a joke. BUT I concentrate on good sides:

Hoof It and Heroic ballad are still same.
Cacophony do not prevent charges any more, but stops now animis
Spray has deafen and is magical
She got boundless charge
Calamity is de-buff, so minions can use it. It is also RNG10
We have now an arc node

I made following list:

Theme: The Power of Dhunia
3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army

Grissel Bloodsong, Fell Caller - WB: +29
- Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0
- Earthborn Dire Troll - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14)
- Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 15)
- Mulg the Ancient - PC: 22
- Troll Basher - PC: 7
- Troll Basher - PC: 7

Horgle Ironstrike - PC: 0
- Slag Troll - PC: 10
Troll Whelps - 5 Whelps: 0
Swamp Gobber Chef - PC: 1

Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9
- Stone Scribe Elder - PC: 3
Croak Raiders - Leader & 9 Grunts: 16

Idea is pretty simple. At first wave Grissel cast calamity through Mulg to enemy heavy or unit and Croaks do their job with rat8 pow13. Then Mulg Hoof's away from threat range. Croak riders are scary enough, that enemy have to kill them, and if Croaks killed the only unit that can do it, enemy have to use beasts/jacks. I have 6 beasts, that can all one-round heavyjack with rage, boundless charge and heroic ballad. Also Slag can wreck even colossals on his own with all buffs. (Slag do average 61p of damage to arm 21 with rage, calamity, heroic ballad, hot shot and free charge).

Played two games yesterday. First game was against Baldur2 where we both tested how hard Woldwrath actually is. Slag and Basher charged it and do 56p of damage (against arm23) and left if to 2 box. I was left behind on attrition (because Croaks were killed by crevasses) , but Baldur walked a little too close to me and too Mulg to his face. Dice+10 was too much.

Second game was against Dreamer. Croak riders killed Rattler on turn 2 and most of them was then killed by Skin&Moans. But opponent made huge mistake and left his second S&M so that mulg could charge first one and swing all clubs to second one. He missed 3 attacks and S&M was left alive. Luckily First one was optimal condition and Mauler could throw it to second one with grab'n'smash and killed both. We continue game couple of turns and opponent get quite bad assassination attempt, but mostly game was there. We ended game when I had lost croak riders and enemy had lost all his beasts and half Dead rots.

But overall I really liked the list (actually liked the list so much that it made me to tough decisions should I play it even on next tournament that I had planned to play Borka1-Borka2. But at least Grissel1 is really good backup list if I don't have time to paint all northkins). I really want to have Axer to list so Mulg could treat bit further. One option could be downgrade EDBT to axer and upgrade one basher to slag, but I really like how tough EDBT is.

Trollock The Sky Fell Posts: 2,332	Grissel1, our least liked warlock? Dec 22, 2017 7:15:59 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Trollock on Dec 22, 2017 7:15:59 GMT I like the setup. I have played her a bit every now and then (before CID, so no Mulg or croaks then) and she works just fine. Hoof it on Mulg sounds nice, when he is arcing. Handnt thought about that
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beardmonk
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Grissel1, our least liked warlock? Dec 22, 2017 9:11:23 GMT

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Post by beardmonk on Dec 22, 2017 9:11:23 GMT

Iv recently switched from Cryx to Trolls. Grissel1 was the first caster I picked up (via a great ebay bargain). Iv been playing this with pretty good results. Not 100% optimal, but gives me a lot of options

Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Band of Heroes

(Grissel 1) Grissel Bloodsong, Fell Caller [+29]
- Dire Troll Mauler [15]
- Earthborn Dire Troll [14]
- Earthborn Dire Troll [14]
- Troll Bouncer [9]
Fell Caller Hero [0(5)]
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9]
Sons of Bragg [11]
Trollkin Fennblades (max) [15]
- Fennblade Officer and Drummer [0(5)]
Trollkin Warders (max) [17]

Fennblades are good alpha unit with buffs from both fell caller hero or Grissell1. SoB good mop up unit. Warders to hold areas and protect with shield guards, same for bouncer. Mauler and EBDM end up taking most of Grisell1s fell calls. I went for EBDS because the fell calls and the buffs it gets from terrain makes them very useful. Many of my regular opponents who play circle, skorne and menoth use lots of elemental damage so the EBDMs are great in countering that.

thoughts?

Trollock
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Grissel1, our least liked warlock? Dec 22, 2017 9:48:23 GMT

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Post by Trollock on Dec 22, 2017 9:48:23 GMT

Dec 22, 2017 9:11:23 GMT beardmonk said:

Iv recently switched from Cryx to Trolls. Grissel1 was the first caster I picked up (via a great ebay bargain). Iv been playing this with pretty good results. Not 100% optimal, but gives me a lot of options

Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Band of Heroes

(Grissel 1) Grissel Bloodsong, Fell Caller [+29]
- Dire Troll Mauler [15]
- Earthborn Dire Troll [14]
- Earthborn Dire Troll [14]
- Troll Bouncer [9]
Fell Caller Hero [0(5)]
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9]
Sons of Bragg [11]
Trollkin Fennblades (max) [15]
- Fennblade Officer and Drummer [0(5)]
Trollkin Warders (max) [17]

Fennblades are good alpha unit with buffs from both fell caller hero or Grissell1. SoB good mop up unit. Warders to hold areas and protect with shield guards, same for bouncer. Mauler and EBDM end up taking most of Grisell1s fell calls. I went for EBDS because the fell calls and the buffs it gets from terrain makes them very useful. Many of my regular opponents who play circle, skorne and menoth use lots of elemental damage so the EBDMs are great in countering that.

thoughts?

Stone scribe elder is mandatory imo. Sons of Bragg are hyper ani synergistic with Grissel since they can not be affected by her fell calls ever. Champions are probably better. Also, you are spending an awful lot of points on your BG. Why not try and get more infantry in there to maximize your free solos? This version retains the core of your list, but with some more planning:

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Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Band of Heroes

(Grissel 1) Grissel Bloodsong, Fell Caller [+29]
- Dire Troll Mauler [15]
- Earthborn Dire Troll [14]
- Earthborn Dire Troll [14]
- Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] (Mandatory because of Boundless charge)
Fell Caller Hero [0(5)]
Swamp Gobber Chef [1] (Point filler, but scoring is a thing, and you could feed a stone scribe to a beast in a pinch)
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9]
- Stone Scribe Elder [3] (To handle incorporeal and more damage is more better)
Trollkin Champions (max) [16] (Replacing the SoBs)
Trollkin Fennblades (max) [15]
- Fennblade Officer and Drummer [0(5)]
Trollkin Warders (max) [17]

3 maxed units that do work, and 3 heavies that do work means you have a LOT of beef in the list. You are all melee though. A BG of Mauler + Bomber would reduce the sheer amount of "stuff" in the list, but gives more flexibility. All melee all the time is not always advisable.

Last Edit: Dec 22, 2017 9:49:27 GMT by Trollock

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Big Fat Troll
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Grissel1, our least liked warlock? Dec 22, 2017 10:24:02 GMT

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Post by Big Fat Troll on Dec 22, 2017 10:24:02 GMT

I feel a need to put in a word for Grissel's Missiles, even if I'm not sure exactly how to build it now.

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Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] The Power of Dhunia

!!! Your army contains pre-release entries.

(Grissel 1) Grissel Bloodsong, Fell Caller [+29]
- Dire Troll Mauler [15]
- Dire Troll Mauler [15]
- Night Troll [7]
- Night Troll [7]
- Troll Axer [10]
- Troll Basher [7]
- Troll Basher [7]
- Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)]
Feralgeist [2]
Horgle Ironstrike [0(4)]
- Slag Troll [10]
- Slag Troll [10]
Troll Whelps [0(4)]
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9]
- Stone Scribe Elder [3]
Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2]

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jarrow Junior Strategist Posts: 274	Grissel1, our least liked warlock? Dec 22, 2017 12:08:57 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by jarrow on Dec 22, 2017 12:08:57 GMT Big Fat Troll: Your list maximize one aspect, but have you tested it? Because I have feeling it wont work anymore at least on my local meta. But it would have been really good on early MK3.

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Grissel1, our least liked warlock? Dec 22, 2017 13:02:55 GMT

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Post by Big Fat Troll on Dec 22, 2017 13:02:55 GMT

Dec 22, 2017 12:08:57 GMT jarrow said:

Big Fat Troll: Your list maximize one aspect, but have you tested it? Because I have feeling it wont work anymore at least on my local meta. But it would have been really good on early MK3.

I briefly played something similar months ago. I don't think it's a super serious list, but might be fun for vetting ideas.

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mazog
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Grissel1, our least liked warlock? Dec 22, 2017 16:11:12 GMT

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Post by mazog on Dec 22, 2017 16:11:12 GMT

The Mulg missile list is still amusing to me, and I've acquired Farrow so I can test it with fewer proxies now. He charges 13" if all goes well, and everything else in the list would charge as far or further if he had to just arc calamity.

POD
Grissel1
- Runebearer
- Mulg
- Mauler
- Bomber
- Axer
Lanyssa
Whelps
Dhunian Knot
Krielstone min/scribe elder
Farrow brigands max/warlord

Arcing calamity will allow the brigands to do some serious work on their prey, and treat anything else like it was prey. Plenty of beef, too, and threat ranges are ridiculous. I haven't played it enough to figure out how the brigands get ahead of the beasts to tarpit for them, since they have the same speed and lack access to rush, though.

The game I played it my opponent went for a semi-marginal assassination (sloane and hunter spam against Grissel behind a wall) realized nearly too late that he had put his caster in Mulg's threat, so he dropped a light jack in my way. On the charge I crit smote it over his caster, and then drove her into the ground with one mighty blow.

It's probably also not a serious list, but it is amusing. Also, props on thinking about hoof it after arcing, that's a great idea!

Last Edit: Dec 22, 2017 16:12:12 GMT by mazog

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Grissel1, our least liked warlock?

Post by jarrow on Dec 22, 2017 7:04:01 GMT

Post by Trollock on Dec 22, 2017 7:15:59 GMT

Post by beardmonk on Dec 22, 2017 9:11:23 GMT

Post by Trollock on Dec 22, 2017 9:48:23 GMT

Post by Big Fat Troll on Dec 22, 2017 10:24:02 GMT

Post by jarrow on Dec 22, 2017 12:08:57 GMT

Post by Big Fat Troll on Dec 22, 2017 13:02:55 GMT

Post by mazog on Dec 22, 2017 16:11:12 GMT