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Post by jpgreat1 on Dec 21, 2017 21:21:36 GMT
As I posted in the Cygnar forum
Between the announcement of next year's CID and seeing that Cryx got a total of 6 themes, I began wondering when will other faction's get there final 1 to 2 themes to catch up. When that happens I am curious to know (and hear what other people think) what those themes will be and what benefits will be available to them.
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Post by chillychinaman on Dec 21, 2017 22:10:53 GMT
Assuming the Ogrun CID starts in January with 6 week duration followed by a 2 week cooldown we have the following schedule:
Ogrun: Jan-Feb
MOW: Mar-Apr
Crucible: May-Jun
Exemplar: Jul-Aug
Tharn: Sep-Oct
Pirates: Nov-Dec
So if my assumptions are accurate we shouldn't be expecting anything new until at least 2019. This is excluding non-theme releases similar to the 12-Factions of Christmas.
I play Legion and Protectorate, so themes I'd like to see explored in no particular order would be:
-Order of the Wall outside of Faithful Masses
-Blighted Minions ala Disciples of Agony
-Foreign Menites like Reznik's old merc theme
-Inquisition force with Scrutators and other Priests
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Post by paradox on Dec 21, 2017 22:15:05 GMT
Most CIDs have been 2-3 weeks lately. I STRONGLY doubt any 2018 CID will be 6 weeks. 4 at most.
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Post by chillychinaman on Dec 21, 2017 23:19:16 GMT
Adjusted time table:
Ogrun: Jan-Feb
MOW: Feb-Mar
Crucible: Mar-Apr
Exemplar: Apr-May
Tharn: May-Jun
Pirates: Jun-Jul
Assuming there are no breaks, it comes out to about a half year wait.
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Fire Step
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Post by Fire Step on Dec 31, 2017 14:29:40 GMT
I'd like to see a cavalry theme, although I'm not sure what bonuses or free points you could conceivably give to a theme of that nature. We've only got three cavalry casters, so it would be very limited.
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Post by chillychinaman on Dec 31, 2017 17:13:59 GMT
I'd like to see a cavalry theme, although I'm not sure what bonuses or free points you could conceivably give to a theme of that nature. We've only got three cavalry casters, so it would be very limited. As long as they include a few additions like mounted Idrians and some solos or UAs, it'd flesh out to a reasonable theme. As for benefits I came up with a few below. ::+1" Repo moves ::Return of the old ride by attack move :: +1SPD ::Minifeat Parry or some protection against free strikes for a unit. ::Crushing Weight for more impact attacks The possibilities are limited only by imagination. |
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Post by Fire Step on Jan 1, 2018 9:02:53 GMT
Having thought more on it, a dedicated fire theme would be really nice. Seeing as cygnar got a dedicated lightning theme. Something like...
Allowance
models/units with the following;
Crit fire, fire type, continuous fire on weapons
Choir, wrack, heirophant
This would give a full list of:
War Room Army
Protectorate of Menoth - Fire type theme
Theme: No Theme Selected
187 / 200 Army
Intercessor Kreoss - WJ: +28
- Castigator - PC: 12
- Crusader - PC: 10
- Judicator - PC: 36 (Battlegroup Points Used: 28)
- Purifier - PC: 8
- Reckoner - PC: 16
- Repenter - PC: 8
- Revelator - PC: 37
- Vanquisher - PC: 17
The Covenant of Menoth - PC: 4
Deliverer Arms Master - PC: 3
Initiate Tristan Durant <! BATTLEGROUP CONTROLLER WITHOUT WARJACKS !> - PC: 4
Pyrrhus, Flameguard Hero - PC: 5
Reclaimer Gatekeeper - PC: 3
Wrack - PC: 1
Choir of Menoth - Leader & 3 Grunts: 4
Deliverer Sunburst Crew - Gunner & 2 Grunts: 5
Exemplar Cinerators - Leader & 2 Grunts: 10
Flameguard Cleansers - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9
Holy Zealots - Leader & 5 Grunts: 7
Temple Flameguard - Leader & 5 Grunts: 7
Visgoth Juviah Rhoven & Honor Guard - Rhoven, Gius & Cassian: 9
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GENERATED : 01/01/2018 08:55:14
BUILD ID : 2059.17-12-30
Models/units in the army gain immunity fire
For every 20 points of units gain free solo, weapon crew
Fire only goes out on the roll of a 1... Or something like that
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Post by correlion on Jan 2, 2018 8:54:50 GMT
I like the idea of fire theme, but:
1. I think that HoJ and/or EoT should be available in such theme.
2.
- crusader
+ sanctifier(this guy has ashen veil and can help vs incorporeal models)
3. maybe we need 2nd jack theme, since we already have 3 unit-oriented theme.
4. possible theme bonuses:
repenter gain gunfighter.
purifier gain bonuses vs burning models.
enemy models that were destroyed by fire continuous effect are removed from play(in this case judicator should not be available).
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Post by killroundears on Jan 2, 2018 9:47:10 GMT
i feel 90% sure that Eye of Truth is only going to be allowed in a theme if PP are convinced that the faction or the theme needs a power spike.
i do not think it was a coincidence that some of the weaker, less interesting (Not A listers) casters like Malekus and Tanith gained such powerful bonded models.
So while Eye of Truth in a theme is the absolute dream because hes incredible... i dont think PP will budge just like they wont budge on Loki unless they're trying to buff the faction and even then... it means future releases have to be concerned about interaction with very powerful models
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Post by correlion on Jan 2, 2018 12:06:20 GMT
look at legions CoD theme. they have two powerful char beasts there and they have unyielding from theme bonus.
maybe we can have something similar? Like:
- HoJ
- EoT
fire-based light jacks with additional buff?
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Post by correlion on Jan 2, 2018 12:10:11 GMT
I also hope that we will have jack theme, which will fix speed/pathfinder issues on our jacks. Warcaster list should be restricted in such theme ofc.
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Post by Fire Step on Jan 2, 2018 12:37:45 GMT
I also hope that we will have jack theme, which will fix speed/pathfinder issues on our jacks. Warcaster list should be restricted in such theme ofc. I'm not sure that every caster being able to deliver our jacks as well as Amon and Feora2 would be fair. Part of the reason our jacks are slower is because they hit like trucks. Fixing that across the board in a dedicated theme feels greedy to be. In a way this has been provided already through exemplar interdiction - + 2" deployment, +1 starting roll, blessed weapons on warjacks. It's possible to build an extremely mean warjack list in interdiction; War Room Army Protectorate of Menoth - Durant's Interdiction Theme: Exemplar Interdiction 2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Sovereign Tristan Durant - WJ: +28 - Devout - PC: 9 (Battlegroup Points Used: 9) - Crusader - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10) - Crusader - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 9) - Crusader - PC: 10 - Dervish - PC: 7 - Dervish - PC: 7 Exemplar Errant Seneschal - PC: 0 Exemplar Warder Elias Gade - PC: 0 Wrack - PC: 1 Wrack - PC: 1 Exemplar Errants - Leader & 9 Grunts: 16 - Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 4 Exemplar Errants - Leader & 9 Grunts: 16 - Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 4 Choir of Menoth - Leader & 3 Grunts: 4 Choir of Menoth - Leader & 3 Grunts: 4 THEME: Exemplar Interdiction --- GENERATED : 01/02/2018 12:34:38 BUILD ID : 2059.17-12-30 You've got a double tarpit of exemplar errants who (with inviolable resolve and unyielding) are sitting at arm 20 with pathfinder from Gade. The warjacks also hit like aforementioned trucks thanks to manifest destiny... |
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Post by Korianneder on Jan 2, 2018 13:28:50 GMT
look at legions CoD theme. they have two powerful char beasts there and they have unyielding from theme bonus. maybe we can have something similar? Like: - HoJ - EoT fire-based light jacks with additional buff? That theme also limits all the other beasts to some of the worst beasts in faction, all of which are lights or lessers. It'd be like a protectorate theme that can bring HoJ, EoT, purifier, and repenter. |
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Post by Choco on Jan 2, 2018 20:23:09 GMT
I like the fire theme idea and if we wanted it to be a bit more jack friendly, what about some of these ideas:
- X Heavy Warjacks gain Advanced Move for each unit with Immunity: Fire in the army.
- Heavy Warjacks gain Repo: 3"
- Warjacks with Spray ranged weapons gain Assault
- When an enemy model ends it activation within 2" of a Warjack in this army with Immunity: Fire, it receives the Continuous Fire condition unless the Warjack was destroyed or removed from play during its turn.
- Warjacks in this army can charge enemy models suffering the Continuous Fire condition without spending focus.
Just some ideas, and I think a good way to get the idea running. I also agree that this would be restricted to specific casters, like ones that are immune to fire, and then have some other added, like Reznik2 and probably, Severius1+2. Could be a fun list in the long run.
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Post by paradox on Jan 2, 2018 20:25:18 GMT
Thats make any Feora + HoJ nuts.
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