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leotherat
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general event advice Dec 18, 2017 16:02:51 GMT

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Post by leotherat on Dec 18, 2017 16:02:51 GMT

I'm going to be going to an event in the near future and need to practice (a lot!). I'm thinking of these 4 lists but I'm not sure which ones to go with.

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Mercenary Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] The Irregulars

(Magnus 2) Magnus the Warlord [+28]
- Mangler [15]
- Mangler [15]
- Nomad [11]
- Nomad [11]
- Renegade [10]
- Vanguard [10]
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [0(4)]
Eiryss, Angel of Retribution [0(6)]
Gobber Tinker [2]
Kell Bailoch [0(5)]
Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress [0(4)]
Herne & Jonne [5]
Horgenhold Artillery Corps [6]
Kayazy Eliminators [5]
Kayazy Eliminators [5]
Lady Aiyana & Master Holt [8]

Mercenary Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] The Irregulars

(Ashlynn 1) Ashlynn D'Elyse [+29]
- Mangler [15]
- Mangler [15]
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [0(4)]
Dirty Meg [3]
- Nomad [11]
Kell Bailoch [0(5)]
Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress [4]
Raluk Moorclaw, the Ironmonger [4]
- Mule [15]
Taryn di la Rovissi, Llaelese Gun Mage [0(5)]
Kayazy Assassins (max) [15]
- Kayazy Assassin Underboss [4]
Kayazy Eliminators [5]
Kayazy Eliminators [5]
Lady Aiyana & Master Holt [8]

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Mercenary Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] The Irregulars

(MacBain 1) Drake MacBain [+30]
- Mangler [15]
- Mangler [15]
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [4]
Eiryss, Mage Hunter of Ios [0(7)]
Kell Bailoch [0(5)]
Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress [4]
Lord Rockbottom [4]
Rhupert Carvolo, Piper of Ord [4]
Rutger Shaw, Professional Adventurer [4]
- Nomad [11]
Saxon Orrik [4]
Taryn di la Rovissi, Llaelese Gun Mage [0(5)]
Kayazy Assassins (max) [15]
- Kayazy Assassin Underboss [4]
Kayazy Eliminators [5]
Lady Aiyana & Master Holt [8]
The Devil's Shadow Mutineers [8]

Mercenary Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] The Irregulars

(Ashlynn 1) Ashlynn D'Elyse [+29]
- Galleon [39]
- Mangler [15]
- Nomad [11]
- Talon [7]
- Vanguard [10]
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [0(4)]
Kell Bailoch [0(5)]
Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress [0(4)]
Master Gunner Dougal MacNaile [4]
Taryn di la Rovissi, Llaelese Gun Mage [0(5)]
Kayazy Eliminators [5]
Kayazy Eliminators [5]
Lady Aiyana & Master Holt [8]

I'm trying to use Ashlynn since I'm getting her mini crate model and I really like it. The big difference in her 2 lists are my base strategies. In the first one I plan on putting quicken on the assassin unit and then running them up to tie up the enemy under her feat. It should be pretty hard for most things to clear them away. Meanwhile I can advance my other models up and probably get the alpha off on them on my next turn. This is very similar to the McBain so I don't think they go well together. The second list takes advantage of Ashlynn's battle group spell (chosen ground) but I think it would play very similarly to Mags2.

Feedback would be appreciated. Also any suggestion as to which would play best into Cryx?

Xintas
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general event advice Dec 18, 2017 18:11:30 GMT

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Post by Xintas on Dec 18, 2017 18:11:30 GMT

I like your first Ashlynn list better, of the two, since she is not a great battlegroup commander. My question on that one is why Raluk and not Rutger? Better drive and you already have Taryn. Lanyssa also seems like overkill, but YMMV. I would go with Gibbs instead.

Your Magnus list confuses me a bit as well. Magnus is relatively efficient and doesn't need to do too much with focus, so he can be a bit more free with it (I really only ever upkeep Escort). For the cost of the 2 manglers and the vanguard, you can grab double freebooters and 2 more nomads. This gives you a lot more body for the same cost. Again, YMMV, but I try to get as many heavies into my Magnus2 list as possible.

leotherat
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general event advice Dec 18, 2017 18:37:59 GMT

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Post by leotherat on Dec 18, 2017 18:37:59 GMT

I chose Raluk for his assault drive so the mule can move and shoot. Originally I did have Rutger but I thought I'd give Raluk a spin. Lanyssa is there for the free charges (as always). As to the Magnus 2 list I don't own any freebooters and only 2 magnetized nomads the vanguard is to stay behind and not only shield guard Mags but also allow him to benefit from Escort without having to hold back a jack.

I appreciate the feedback feel free to make other suggestions.

shoe
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general event advice Dec 19, 2017 1:38:50 GMT

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Post by shoe on Dec 19, 2017 1:38:50 GMT

the magnus2 list is fine cept for eiryss2. should be eiryss1. also lanyssa unnecessary. it can beat cryx once gf is nerfed irl

all ur ashlynn lists will get wiped by blasts. they are bad. quickened trencher cloud wall in resistance ftw

ur macbain list has so many solos that ur only getting 2 free. mutineers are bad. plus u brought rockbottom just for them. if ur going to marshal something, it should be with meg. that nomad should be on macbain. the 2 manglers could be 3 nomads for 3 more points for more beating. eh, actually it's a mess top to bottom

here's waht i use to beat really good players

macbain
3 nomads
Wrongeye and Snapjaw
Crosse
Rover (Failsafe goes here)
10 Croe's (Countermeasure here unless no guns. if no guns, fortune)
6 boomhowlers (reveille plus macbain feat is magical)
2x Eliminators
orin free
ragman
gorman free
eilish free

run croe's forward under feat and CM. feat on eliminators to contest objectives and jam. feat on eilish and gorman. watch them take a 20 minute turn figuring out what to do, then reveille, strip their upkeeps with eilish, blind something with gorman and smash face

u can drop we&sj to go max solos if u want but i like the extra focus and fury since macbain ain't got none. and they go well with eliminators and ragman

~ shoe

eterenal Mangled Metaler Posts: 46	general event advice Dec 19, 2017 14:14:07 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by eterenal on Dec 19, 2017 14:14:07 GMT I think you're one eliminator unit over on that list Shoe. Comes out to 80 points.

shoe Junior Strategist Posts: 706	general event advice Dec 19, 2017 14:41:50 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by shoe on Dec 19, 2017 14:41:50 GMT accually the croes are a min unit. i hav tweaked the list many times!
	~ shoe

leotherat
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general event advice Dec 19, 2017 16:09:44 GMT

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Post by leotherat on Dec 19, 2017 16:09:44 GMT

So Shoe would you find this list more competitive?

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Mercenary Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Llaelese Resistance

(Ashlynn 1) Ashlynn D'Elyse [+29]
- Nomad [11]
- Vanguard [10]
- Vanguard [10]
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [4]
Anastasia di Bray [3]
Gastone Crosse [4]
- Mule [15]
Gorman di Wulfe, Rogue Alchemist [4]
Major Harrison Gibbs [4]
Ragman [4]
Rutger Shaw, Professional Adventurer [4]
Taryn di la Rovissi, Llaelese Gun Mage [0(5)]
Thorn Gun Mages [9]
Trencher Infantry (max) [16]
- Trencher Infantry Officer & Sniper [0(5)]
- Trencher Infantry Rifle Grenadier (3) [6]

Which of the other lists would you pair it with? It seems to me to be a little light in the hitting department but maybe I'm just not seeing the extra OOmph. (I got this off a net list).

eterenal Mangled Metaler Posts: 46	general event advice Dec 19, 2017 16:23:38 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by eterenal on Dec 19, 2017 16:23:38 GMT Too many points in jacks that don't hit hard. Also get Rutger out of here.

leotherat Junior Strategist Posts: 374	general event advice Dec 19, 2017 16:36:57 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by leotherat on Dec 19, 2017 16:36:57 GMT So your specific advise is ...? (Not being sarcastic) I honestly want to hear your idea(s).

Choco
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general event advice Dec 19, 2017 17:20:32 GMT

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Post by Choco on Dec 19, 2017 17:20:32 GMT

Dec 19, 2017 16:23:38 GMT eterenal said:

Too many points in jacks that don't hit hard. Also get Rutger out of here.

Rutger is good if he is used to jack marshal a jack. He's not good without a jack (my personal fave is a Talon).

As far as this Ashlynn list goes, you are committing too many points into jacks that don't hit hard enough without significant support. If you drop a Vanguard and Rutger, you can add a Mangler which will help with infantry swarms and it hist hard. Alternatively you could drop Rutger and both Vanguards for 2 Nomads and a Tinker (Tinkers are great for objective capturing). Finally, as great as the Trencher smoke wall is they don't hit hard enough on their own to get good work done. You really need to look into another option to add to this, like Stormblades, Storm Lances or *gasp* Sword Knights might even be a good option here.

Ashlynn herself lends to a very finesse style of play, but that usually results in not many heavy hitters, especially in the Resistance, unless you tailor your list or use the other faction models to fill those gaps.

Last Edit: Dec 19, 2017 17:24:47 GMT by Choco

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shoe
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general event advice Dec 19, 2017 17:21:57 GMT via mobile

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Post by shoe on Dec 19, 2017 17:21:57 GMT

Dec 19, 2017 16:09:44 GMT leotherat said:

So Shoe would you find this list more competitive?

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Mercenary Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Llaelese Resistance

(Ashlynn 1) Ashlynn D'Elyse [+29]
- Nomad [11]
- Vanguard [10]
- Vanguard [10]
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [4]
Anastasia di Bray [3]
Gastone Crosse [4]
- Mule [15]
Gorman di Wulfe, Rogue Alchemist [4]
Major Harrison Gibbs [4]
Ragman [4]
Rutger Shaw, Professional Adventurer [4]
Taryn di la Rovissi, Llaelese Gun Mage [0(5)]
Thorn Gun Mages [9]
Trencher Infantry (max) [16]
- Trencher Infantry Officer & Sniper [0(5)]
- Trencher Infantry Rifle Grenadier (3) [6]

Which of the other lists would you pair it with? It seems to me to be a little light in the hitting department but maybe I'm just not seeing the extra OOmph. (I got this off a net list).

Yes but get rutger shaw out of there and put in eilish so you can Puppet Master the mule for 75% crit devastations foo!

~ shoe

shoe
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general event advice Dec 19, 2017 17:24:28 GMT via mobile

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Post by shoe on Dec 19, 2017 17:24:28 GMT

War Room Army

Mercenary - Ashlynn

Theme: Llaelese Resistance
3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army

Ashlynn d'Elyse - WJ: +29
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker - PC: 4
- Nomad - PC: 11 (Battlegroup Points Used: 11)
- Nomad - PC: 11 (Battlegroup Points Used: 11)
- Talon - PC: 7 (Battlegroup Points Used: 7)

Eilish Garrity, the Occultist - PC: 0
Ragman - PC: 4
Major Harrison Gibbs - PC: 0
Anastasia di Bray - PC: 3
Gorman Di Wulfe, Rogue Alchemist - PC: 4
Gastone Crosse - PC: 4
- Mule - PC: 15

Storm Lances - Leader & 4 Grunts: 20
Trencher Infantry - Leader & 9 Grunts: 16
- Trencher Infantry Officer & Sniper - Officer & Sniper: 0
Dannon Blythe & Bull - Blythe & Bull: 5

THEME: Llaelese Resistance
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GENERATED : 12/19/2017 10:23:01
BUILD ID : 2055.17-11-21

dis my current ashlynn list that I have not had enough time to tweak but so far has been pretty good into most things but not all things

~ shoe

leotherat
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general event advice Dec 19, 2017 17:41:20 GMT

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Post by leotherat on Dec 19, 2017 17:41:20 GMT

Are the lances crucial to the list or is there something else that could sub in? The reason I ask is that I don't own any Lances and I'd rather not fall too deeply into a cygnar hole. I got the tranchers in a trade a while back and never used or even built them. Originally I was thinking of rangers and ATGM for the resistance theme a la the old Ashlynn theme list.

shoe
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general event advice Dec 19, 2017 17:52:52 GMT via mobile

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Post by shoe on Dec 19, 2017 17:52:52 GMT

dey there because there ain't nothing better to assist with the armor cracking than 5 horsies with Pathfinder because if you take too many Jacks you lose free points. In fact, I think you can't take even one more Point worth of War Jacks in that list without getting penalized.

The list can't take on a ton of armor but you always want to be able to take on some. but I ain't never going to tell nobody what to go out and buy

cept river raiders

Last Edit: Dec 19, 2017 17:55:29 GMT by shoe

~ shoe

Choco
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general event advice Dec 19, 2017 18:06:37 GMT

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Post by Choco on Dec 19, 2017 18:06:37 GMT

Dec 19, 2017 17:41:20 GMT leotherat said:

Are the lances crucial to the list or is there something else that could sub in? The reason I ask is that I don't own any Lances and I'd rather not fall too deeply into a cygnar hole. I got the tranchers in a trade a while back and never used or even built them. Originally I was thinking of rangers and ATGM for the resistance theme a la the old Ashlynn theme list.

Stormblades are an option. Slower, but still hit hard. I personally have been on the Menoth train with my Resistance list.

Ashlynn
-Mangler
-Mangler
Anastasia
Eilish
Gastone
-Mariner
Gorman
Gibbs
Ragman
Taryn
Daughters of the Flame
Flame Bringers
Thorn Gun Mages
Thorn Gun Mages

This does require a little more finesse to use, but it is lots of fun. The fact that the Flame Bringers can run 22 inches with Quicken on them and get to places your opponent doesn't want them to be so easily, is just too much fun not to use.

Last Edit: Dec 19, 2017 18:07:00 GMT by Choco

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Post by leotherat on Dec 18, 2017 16:02:51 GMT

Post by Xintas on Dec 18, 2017 18:11:30 GMT

Post by leotherat on Dec 18, 2017 18:37:59 GMT

Post by shoe on Dec 19, 2017 1:38:50 GMT

Post by eterenal on Dec 19, 2017 14:14:07 GMT

Post by shoe on Dec 19, 2017 14:41:50 GMT

Post by leotherat on Dec 19, 2017 16:09:44 GMT

Post by eterenal on Dec 19, 2017 16:23:38 GMT

Post by leotherat on Dec 19, 2017 16:36:57 GMT

Post by Choco on Dec 19, 2017 17:20:32 GMT

Post by shoe on Dec 19, 2017 17:21:57 GMT

Post by shoe on Dec 19, 2017 17:24:28 GMT

Post by leotherat on Dec 19, 2017 17:41:20 GMT

Post by shoe on Dec 19, 2017 17:52:52 GMT

Post by Choco on Dec 19, 2017 18:06:37 GMT